Yoshi P / Dev Team: FAVOR System - Please Fix This BROKEN System

[Sibyll]

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In my opening sentence by Red Scrips I meant Favors (I've edited my post to reflect that). Your whole tiering of gathering gear is irrelevant to what I was getting at. People that were making gil selling tome materials could do so without having a DoL/DoH class at all. Ehcatl Sealants required a level 1 DoH/DoL class and some reputation farming and about 15 mins worth of dailies. Red/Blue scrips requires level 60 DoH/DoLs and a non-trivial amount of time/gil to meet the requirements for not including the time/gil required to cap the scrips.

I'm not saying that Red/Blue Scrips are time consuming for a person that has all level 60 DoH/DoL classes and that enjoys crafting. I'm saying that it's shit design from the stand point of a DoW/DoM player that is looking to make gil off of their excess tomes, BCoB Allagan drops and/or Ixali dailies. Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, this portion of the player base is part of the reason why gated materials stay at reasonable prices and allows crafters to keep their products more affordable. When the people that can use the material and the people that can gather the material are the same limited demographic (end-game DoH/DoL) you run into the ridiculous market board prices that you see with Favor materials.

I find the design of Favors baffling because its mindless and brings nothing to the table. We may as well just have Purified Coke cost x2 RGS and x1 RCS, if anything as a QoL improvement.

I don't think Favors need a nerf or a yield buff because I don't think a number tweak will change the flawed design of removing DoW/DoMs from the equation completely. And as you pointed out, making the favor materials or 2* crafting mats acquirable through Law tomes would be terrible because no gatherer would ever spend scrips on favors to get something you could use Law for.

[Ossom]

@Sibyll,

If you are worried about DoW/DoM making money then you're in luck. DoW/DoM are making more money now than they ever were before. DoW/DoM Retainer materials are by far the most expensive, and since DoW/DoM who don't crafter and gather can't level up other retainers their retainers are most likely DoW/DoM.

Along with this GC seals are an easy cash cow. A couple hundred GC seals can turn into 1-3k gil from buying Coke, Peacock Ore and Cordials, and DoW/DoM can easy get a lot of GC seals from Fates and Dungeons where they can get redundant gear. Not sure what any of this has to do with this forum for the Disciples of the Land and/or Favors, the topic of this thread, but if those are your worries, I have yet to see any DoW/DoM complain about not being able to buy mats with their law.

[seorin]

The easiest fix is to move favors to blue scrip and sell favor mats for law. More would be welcome, but we're stuck with temp fixes until the next tier. Hopefully they'll use all this feedback then.

Anyways Seorin, still you have yet to explain why Favors need a nerf. I'm fine with you talking about whatever you want, but the circle jerk is annoying.

lol, ignoring the explanation doesn't mean it was never explained, but keep on raging I guess. If we're so annoying, you're free to stop posting here. Selective reading and anecdotal claims don't add anything.

I'm not sure why they didn't include some sort of materials for DoW/DoM to be able to buy with Law tomes, I would be totally for this

I have yet to see any DoW/DoM complain about not being able to buy mats with their law.

Another anecdotal claim... to argue with yourself? On second thought, please keep posting, this is hilarious. XD

[Ranzan]

post above.

I can only speak for my server but this in the quote is not the case. GC seal items sell under 500 gil
, same with Cordials. My DoW/M only friends are losing money cause their main source of gil was taken away from them. Those GC items are not worth it in thier eyes. All they would cover is teles and repairs. So from my experience SE did in fact shut out a demographic of the player base from the crafting grind.

After looking at Sibyll recent post it make sense why the mats are still so high (150k) because less people are a part of the crafting economy.

[Sibyll]

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In the rest of my post, that you selectively ignored, I explained that DoW/DoM in 2.x kept end-game crafting material prices low by providing a steady supply. In 3.x DoW/DoM are not involved in the acquisition of end-game crafting materials causing the supply to be provided almost entirely by the same people that would be using the materials for themselves.

The Favor system fails because it requires a level 60 DoL, a non-trivial gear requirement, and Red Scrip capping, which alienates a large portion of the player base and bottle necks the supply.

I can't be bothered to simplify this any more for you as you haven't brought a single, intelligent rebuttal to the discussion. I'll quit feeding the troll.

[Mature]

Last night I finally tested this fix. I got 22 red ooids and 2 red round things out of 5 favors.

This is the same amount I got before fix but quicker.

[Mature]

Just to highlight that imo red scrip gear and crafted with red scrip gear should be separated. Because you can't have both . You either collected or crafted. You do have a choice here and I understand BUT there aren't secondary tool or accessories to exchange for red scrips. This is my issue. In order to make it you have to sacrifice a week worth of scrips meaning a week of lost red scrip gear (or maybe 2 weeks)

Maybe using blue scrips to make ilvl170 stuff rather than using the red ones.

Just a thought

[Nadirah]

I can only speak for my server but this in the quote is not the case. GC seal items sell under 500 gil
, same with Cordials. My DoW/M only friends are losing money cause their main source of gil was taken away from them. Those GC items are not worth it in thier eyes. All they would cover is teles and repairs. So from my experience SE did in fact shut out a demographic of the player base from the crafting grind.

After looking at Sibyll recent post it make sense why the mats are still so high (150k) because less people are a part of the crafting economy.

The hell are they buying? I make loads of gil from selling coke and stuff my hunting ventures bring back(it depend per day what sells, chimera manes, various skins and deepeye years always move).

[Alysrea]

Last night I finally tested this fix. I got 22 red ooids and 2 red round things out of 5 favors.

This is the same amount I got before fix but quicker.

Thank you for sharing your information but a sample size of 1 is not statistically relevant, after you have done more groupings of favors please come back and share with us and let us know if your averages still hold to be true.

[seorin]

Maybe using blue scrips to make ilvl170 stuff rather than using the red ones.

I mentioned this earlier and still think it's one of the best solutions.

It's unfair that gatherers have to delay their progression just to farm mats. That guarantees somebody will get the short end of the stick: those selling mats or those buying gear. When new items require 180 gear to gather, players who sold their favor mats will be be stuck weeks behind those who didn't. Fixes (catch up gear, scrip cap increase, etc) would instead screw over people buying 180 gear, because they could be selling favor mats right now and then quickly catch up later.

This only gets worse as more time passes because players are able to invest more deeply into the 'wrong' choice, which is the main reason I'd like to see fixes sooner rather than later. A timely fix is the only way to minimize how badly the players get burned.