Red Mage (Tank) Please!

[Intaki]

Tanks are generally considered "boring" because the nature of their role does not allow them to possess the mechanical complexity inherent in dps. If tanking required as much mechanical skill as dps without a drastic shift in encounter mechanics almost no one would do it.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Not invalidating your request. There are no magic caster tank jobs, and it would be neat.

Personally, I'd like to see more varying playstyle in casters.

I'd watch your posts though, you've contradicted yourself. i.e.

"Hybrids cannot work in a game where all classes are designed to be one role. The only class that has multiple roles is tanks which can heal and dps well."
vs
"White Mage is also a ranged caster, so is Scholar. So is Astrologer. It has the same playstyle when you throw on cleric stance."

We have Bard, We have Machinist, We have Summoner, We have Black Mage for DPS
For healing casters we have White Mage, Scholar, Astrologer.

For Tank we have.. Nothing.

Also, White Mage/Scholar/Astrologer indeed do have that same role when they use Cleric Stance, however whilst they do the tank is getting his face melted

Tanks are generally considered "boring" because the nature of their role does not allow them to possess the mechanical complexity inherent in dps. If tanking required as much mechanical skill as dps without a drastic shift in encounter mechanics almost no one would do it.

Can still make a fun tank with some interesting mechanics as long as its not too complex.

Well it could be a tank or a support really. Personally I'd like to see a tank class ppl won't avoid like the plague cause "its boring". News flash: All roles press a sequence of buttons resulting in causing cascading numbers to appear in your screen(how larger numbers affect fun I'll never understand) so please SE, give us more " interesting " tanks to utilize.

I agree =3

[SendohJin]

Personally I'd like to see a tank class ppl won't avoid like the plague cause "its boring".

people who say that are lying. WAR is not boring. DPS who refuse to play it or not avoiding it cause it's boring, they don't like that responsilbity.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

people who say that are lying. WAR is not boring. DPS who refuse to play it or not avoiding it cause it's boring, they don't like that responsilbity.

Warrior is just one of many tanking playstyles though. I like the aesthetic but I don't like how it plays myself.

[Kaurie]

I'm afraid you misunderstood. I was pointing out that you said "The only class that has multiple roles is a tank" which is untrue because "healers DPS with cleric stance".

I used quotes, but paraphrased, sorry.

I am pretty confused on this part:
We have Bard, We have Machinist, We have Summoner, We have Black Mage for DPS
For healing casters we have White Mage, Scholar, Astrologer.

For Tank we have.. Nothing.

You are saying we have 2 Physical Ranged Support, 2 Magical DPS Ranged and 3 Healers, but the game has no tanks? Obviously it has 3 tanks. To say that BRD and SMN fill the same niche is just untrue on so many levels.

[Kaurie]

people who say that are lying. WAR is not boring. DPS who refuse to play it or not avoiding it cause it's boring, they don't like that responsilbity.

False. I sometimes enjoy PLD, but every time I try to play my WAR my eyes start to bleed with boredom.

Obviously, to each their own.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I'm afraid you misunderstood. I was pointing out that you said "The only class that has multiple roles is a tank" which is untrue because "healers DPS with cleric stance".

I used quotes, but paraphrased, sorry.

I am pretty confused on this part:
We have Bard, We have Machinist, We have Summoner, We have Black Mage for DPS
For healing casters we have White Mage, Scholar, Astrologer.

For Tank we have.. Nothing.

You are saying we have 2 Physical Ranged Support, 2 Magical DPS Ranged and 3 Healers, but the game has no tanks? Obviously it has 3 tanks. To say that BRD and SMN fill the same niche is just untrue on so many levels.

When you use Gauss Barrel and WM you turn Bard from Physical to Caster and change its play-style completely. Just like when you use Cleric Stance you change healers into ranged DPS casters.

I am not saying that. I am saying there are many "types" of ranged casters and casters in general for DPS, Healing roles.

None however for Tanking roles.

[Welsper59]

Well it could be a tank or a support really. Personally I'd like to see a tank class ppl won't avoid like the plague cause "its boring". News flash: All roles press a sequence of buttons resulting in causing cascading numbers to appear in your screen(how larger numbers affect fun I'll never understand) so please SE, give us more " interesting " tanks to utilize.

Honestly though, the absolute #1 reason why people don't take up the tank role in any game is because of the responsibility associated to it. In games where you move around as a group, the tank (the one who bears the burden of handling all the mobs), is typically looked at as the leader of the pack. The alpha. Just like IRL activities, practically no one wants to burden the responsibilities of being a leader. Heck, think about if you joined a simple FATE or hunt group, would you (or anyone else) actively volunteer to be leader? Probably not.

Unless this were a game like FFXI where you don't move around, have a designated puller (usually a THF, RNG, BRD, etc), and essentially setup camp for most activities, tanks will always be seen as the leader in a generic group activity that isn't already being run by a designated leader. In order to change that, you'd need to change the importance of tanks being the first to agg stuff. The boredom bit is relevant too, but is very much a side note compared. Tanks could be over-complicated to make things a lot less monotonous, but that'd also be a hindrance to the population of tanks. It's a big cluster**** situation.

When you use Gauss Barrel and WM you turn Bard from Physical to Caster and change its play-style completely. Just like when you use Cleric Stance you change healers into ranged DPS casters.

I am not saying that. I am saying there are many "types" of ranged casters and casters in general for DPS, Healing roles.

None however for Tanking roles.

Well technically, removing tanking stances turns them into DPS... PLD being the exception to that, be it in Shield Oath or Sword Oath lol.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Red Mage to me always seemed like he was the leader of the party because he understands every role pretty well.

[Kaurie]

Technically speaking, a PLD is more of a caster than a BRD or MCH. I mean this in the sense that PLD actually casts spells, as oppose to BRD or MCH which do not cast spells but have skills that take time.