Remove Cleric Stance as a cross class ability for healers.

[sackm]

I play sch. Let the whm have cleric stance only. They really have given up enough in this game already. Also it doesn't hurt that I have all three healers to 60 so switching jobs depending on circumstance is normal to me.

you certainly dont know how to play SCH if you are willing to give up cleric stance lol

[AsakuraVN]

Even if CS become WHM exclusive, some WHMs would still complain that AST/SCH has better advantage because they can buff pt dmg enough with the cards/faerie alone, without the need of CS at all, & don't have to deal with the risky & dangerous stance dancing.

[Raso]

Cleric shouldn't be WHM exclusive, now WHM should have a trait that just makes Cleric better.

Some ideas I have would be things like gives additional accuracy based on the determination stat or makes direct damage spells like Stone III do a small heal to a nearby friendly target that is not the WHM.

[Zaresin]

you certainly dont know how to play SCH if you are willing to give up cleric stance lol

Lol my static would say otherwise. My point I was making. Is I don't care one way or another if they take it away from the other healers. Let the whm have it. This game could use some shaking up. Sometimes it's good to throw a monkey wrench into things and see how it sorts itself out.

[Daws]

Or give whm an improved cleric stance.

[RichardButte]

Do you realize how OP Sch would be if they removed cleric stance from it and let their attacks scale based off mind ?

Why? It's not hard to flip CS on and off, just annoying and redundant.

Also, SCH is the class that benefits the most despite CS needing to be flipped, because it can have 6 DoTs, all of which snapshot in CS.

There are some things in RPGs that are old holdovers from the "glory" days which don't really make sense any longer. Things like accuracy were in the game to add randomness because there wasn't enough depth otherwise, for example.

WoW (which Yoshi-P plays and based a lot of ARR's changes off of...) did the right thing by streamlining the whole proceedure via making "spellpower" one stat instead of keeping spell damage and spell healing separate. WoW then went on to royally screw EVERYTHING up in WoD, but that doesn't change the good decisions they made in Cata when it came to streamlining.

[Blood-Aki]

Lol my static would say otherwise. My point I was making. Is I don't care one way or another if they take it away from the other healers. Let the whm have it. This game could use some shaking up. Sometimes it's good to throw a monkey wrench into things and see how it sorts itself out.

If they take cleric stance away from SCH, you can say goodbye to any even remotly good DPS numbers. You may know how to "use" sch but you certainly do not know how to actually utilize it, if you don't see how vital cleric stance is to sch. Infact, i would go so far as to saying dpsing on sch is utterly useless without it.

[Ninimo_Babamo]

Some white mages... just want to see the world burn.

Only so we can heal through it with cure 3.

[Verdan]

Lol my static would say otherwise. My point I was making. Is I don't care one way or another if they take it away from the other healers. Let the whm have it. This game could use some shaking up. Sometimes it's good to throw a monkey wrench into things and see how it sorts itself out.

Dawg cleric stance is what makes high level sch play work, unless you're just throwing dots out there without switching. Cleric stance is what makes high level healer play work for every class, and what makes soloing possible. Cleric stance is the key to healers in this game functioning the way they do and why healers don't get outraged at the fact that some quests are solo only; cause holy shit we don't do damage without switching into it. Could you imagine that mini boss fight in Azys Lla without cleric?

I'm just putting this over every thread multiple times now, but I really don't think that Cleric Stance should take up a conjurer slot. It's just too important, there's no cross class skill that would make the whole class experience just fall apart like not having cleric stance. Provoke is close, but that's just for high level content. Playing a healer through the whole game would be miserable, and not even the most casual of casuals would be able to avoid how bad it would be. Give the WHM an actual mechanic or defining ability at level 6 and give cleric stance to everyone somehow.

[Gist]

Cleric Stance is vital for leveling. CNJ has it as a low level ability because it is necessary to be able to do the MSQ solo duties as well as do fetch quests that require you kill X mobs. It is also necessary for SCH and AST to have it (speaking from experience now that I've attempted leveling all 3 healers) for, you guessed it, leveling. While it's not "fair" that they get to have what used to be a CNJ/WHM ability, it's necessary for those that don't want to play WHM to be able to actually solo content (and so that SE doesn't have to buff damage numbers on a non-DPS class and leave healers able to do their class quests and whatnot).

I mean /thread.