Another Red Mage Tank Idea

[Blood-Aki]

The majority of their damaging skills now have cast times that require them to stand still in order for them to work. How is that not a caster? Physical vs Magical is purely aesthetic.

So in other words. you don't understand the difference between magical spells, bullets and arrows... well. i cannot help you there. seems like a huge personal issue. But, still, no, they are not casters.. i'm sorry. Hell by this logic PLD is also a caster.

First off, it is perfectly clear that I didn't not call you stupid, I called the idea that "adding a 4th Tank is none-sense" stupid. Your name calling is uncalled for and uncivilized.
Second, Stupid: lacking intelligence and/or common sense.

I am actually starting to think you simply do not read well, cause i didn't call you stupid, either. like yours, my wording was the very idea of it. please read more carefully. for your sake..

You do realize that in the live letters they said that they wouldn't be adding any more jobs/classes until 4.0 (a.k.a the next expansion). So following that pattern, we got three jobs in this expansion, one tank, one DPS, one healer, we're probably going to get the same in the next, one tank, one DPS, one healer.

SO.. is SAM going to be the healer then? if not, then RDM would be the healer.. and SAM the DPS or tank..that would leave one brand new job. which would take one of the 3 roles.. and since there is a very high chance, as i said rdm will be a caster dps. then the only other logical one they can do is healer. Sam or the new job would be the tank. You see what went wrong there i hope..

Those were the only parts worth responding to, honestly, this is just getting silly, and i don't expect any less out of these forums, You can entertain the idea all you like, Just don't be surprised when the job comes out and it won't be anything like you hoped.

[Mimilu]

[QUOTE=Blood-Aki;3285849]So in other words. you don't understand the difference between magical spells, bullets and arrows... well. i cannot help you there. seems like a huge personal issue. But, still, no, they are not casters.. i'm sorry. Hell by this logic PLD is also a caster.QUOTE]

PLD has one spell with a cast time, Clemency.
BRD has 7 weapon skills with a cast time, Heavy Shot, Straight Shot, Venomous Bite, Quick Nook, Windbite, and Wide Volley, all of which are BRD DPSing meat and potatoes that aren't locked behind cooldowns, and Empyreal Arrow, which is pretty much a supped up version of Bloodletting that can only be used under Wanderer's Minuet.
It's your Magic = Caster logic that makes PLD and DRK casters, seeing as both use magic and that's the only trait you've used to define casters at this point.

I am actually starting to think you simply do not read well, cause i didn't call you stupid, either. like yours, my wording was the very idea of it. please read more carefully. for your sake.

Your post:
"...so close to the last one is it self, stupid.)"

You used a comma, which makes it look like you called me stupid.
Please learn to type better.

SO.. is SAM going to be the healer then? if not, then RDM would be the healer.. and SAM the DPS or tank..that would leave one brand new job. which would take one of the 3 roles.. and since there is a very high chance, as i said rdm will be a caster dps. then the only other logical one they can do is healer. Sam or the new job would be the tank. You see what went wrong there i hope.

Whoever said they had to add SAM and RDM?
Or that they had to add them at the same time?
Who's to say that SE is going to actually add them at all?
This is SE's game, they can teasingly add red-herrings for obsessive fans to find and make theories.
They don't have to be held by the fans' obsessions.

Those were the only parts worth responding to, honestly, this is just getting silly, and i don't expect any less out of these forums, You can entertain the idea all you like, Just don't be surprised when the job comes out and it won't be anything like you hoped.

Oh yes, you are the victim, telling people that their ideas "make no sense" because they don't match yours...
And who ever said I expect them to make RDM like I designed it?
I'm well aware that they will probably do the easy route of making RDM and DPS or Healer IF the ever add it.
I do this for the enjoyment of designing something and getting constructive criticism, which is obvious that I'm not going to get any here.

[Blood-Aki]

PLD has one spell with a cast time, Clemency.
BRD has 7 weapon skills with a cast time, Heavy Shot, Straight Shot, Venomous Bite, Quick Nook, Windbite, and Wide Volley, all of which are BRD DPSing meat and potatoes that aren't locked behind cooldowns, and Empyreal Arrow, which is pretty much a supped up version of Bloodletting that can only be used under Wanderer's Minuet.
It's your Magic = Caster logic that makes PLD and DRK casters, seeing as both use magic and that's the only trait you've used to define casters at this point.

Went ahead and bolded the important part for you, If you still cannot understand why none of them getting "cast times" does not make them then a "caster" job, then you are far beyond any hope. i simply just think you're in denial at this point.

Your post:
"...so close to the last one is it self, stupid.)"

You used a comma, which makes it look like you called me stupid.
Please learn to type better.

That it self was a clear indication of what i was talking about, with the comma, Please learn reading comprehension.

The rest is simply trying to hard, But seriously. Stop doing this to your self.

[Mimilu]

Went ahead and bolded the important part for you, If you still cannot understand why none of them getting "cast times" does not make them then a "caster" job, then you are far beyond any hope. i simply just think you're in denial at this point.

You can bold whatever you like, if you can't understand why doing physical or magical damage is purely aesthetic and that these two jobs now function as caster jobs, then there is no hope for you.
Also, I love that you upped your typing game after I pointed it out. You really do care. <3

[Blood-Aki]

You can bold whatever you like, if you can't understand why doing physical or magical damage is purely aesthetic and that these two jobs now function as caster jobs, then there is no hope for you.
Also, I love that you upped your typing game after I pointed it out. You really do care. <3

Dear god, you are just trolling now, Yes, anything that gets a cast time is offically a caster are you seriously in this much denial?

Last time, then im going to go do other things then teach you the difference between magic and physcial objects with ranged properties.

Ranged Casters are BLM and SMN

Ranged physical DPS are MCH and BRD, They do not cast magic of any kind unless you count songs as "magic" so this game only has 2 ranged casters, There, accept this fact or not. idc. wasting time now. Bye.

[ChazNatlo]

Dear god, you are just trolling now, Yes, anything that gets a cast time is offically a caster are you seriously in this much denial?

Last time, then im going to go do other things then teach you the difference between magic and physcial objects with ranged properties.

Ranged Casters are BLM and SMN

Ranged physical DPS are MCH and BRD, They do not cast magic of any kind unless you count songs as "magic" so this game only has 2 ranged casters, There, accept this fact or not. idc. wasting time now. Bye.

Actually, there is an easier way to settle this. Mages are benefited by Foes Requiem, Phys Ranged are not. There. It is now beyond being an aethetic difference.

This is important because they were arguing on a level of them being the same MECHANICALLY, not thematically. They were arguing that mechanically, there is little difference between HOW you hit the opponent from a distance, only THAT you hit the opponent from a distance.

[ChazNatlo]

Went ahead and bolded the important part for you, If you still cannot understand why none of them getting "cast times" does not make them then a "caster" job, then you are far beyond any hope. i simply just think you're in denial at this point.

No, Seriously, You're addressing the wrong point. You are steadfastly arguing that the fact that BLM and SMN do magic damage, while BRD and MCH do physical makes them different, You're ignoring that this all leads back to your point that this means that There are two Phys Ranged DPS and Two Magic Ranged DPS, and therefore need to be one more of each to match the Tank's Three representatives, It ignores that this idea would similarly split the Tanks into Magic focused and Physical focused. You can't have that argument both ways. Either there are four Ranged DPS and another Tank wouldn't upset that balance, or there are one to zero Magic tanks and another magic based tank is needed to fill that void.

The representation of a physical based healing class being beyond mention at this juncture.