Another Red Mage Tank Idea

[ChazNatlo]

While I agree that the OP should have added to the other RDM Tank thread, and thus bumping this topic is counter intuitive, I'm going to anyways, cause meh.

A few points.

A: While I cannot comment on XI, due to never having played it, outside Tactics Advanced, which used a weapon based growth system much like XIV admittedly, Red Mage has been depicted as a sub par warrior that could do subpar magic, the two halves supposedly making a whole. They used swords and rods and Staves and shields and lighter armour. Also, Fencers can use shields. Or did you think the phrase "Swashbuckler" used the word "Buckler" Ironically? I'd totally give the Red-mage a rapier in XIV, but that doesn't mean they need to do it to stay true to FF. ((On the other hand they are descended from D&D bards, which frequently are depicted with a rapier, so...))

B: We have three tanks and that's fair representation of the role because you choose to split up the seven DPS into four different categories? What if I split off Warrior, as it is a HP and offence based Tank that excels as an Off tank and therefore isn't quite the same? What if I decided that the RDM being a Mage and therefore a DoM counted it as a separate category that we have ZERO entrants for, matching your splitting of the ranged DPS into physical and Magical?

C: and I flip sides for this one. Tank is probably the one job I wouldn't peg a classic Red Mage for. It was the one role that you either do or do not. I mean, raise your hand if you think Slapping Cover on your Red mage is a good idea in V. I don't think Red mage CAN'T be a Tank. There are just better options.

[Mimilu]

That dosn't magcialy make them "casters" surely you are not so foolish as to realize this.. Scathe on blm is instant, doesn't mean its a "physcial" caster all of sudden.

So no, regardless of how much you deny it, they are not, anything of the sort near "casters" unless you cannot tell the difference between magic, arrows, and bullets

The majority of their damaging skills now have cast times that require them to stand still in order for them to work. How is that not a caster? Physical vs Magical is purely aesthetic.

"Melee, black magic and white magic" None of those are related to tanking. for a magic based job, Not sure what this was about. you actually proved my point further, of why they won't work as a tank.

I'm proving at least that my design at covers these points. And saying that this proves your point is a fallacy, as it does nothing to help your claim.
Paladins, for example, have always used White Magic and Melee through out the FF series. But oh, gee, the can't be tanks because clearly neither of those things relate to tanking. At least according to your logic.

As much as an opinion as saying DRK would work as a back line caster. Sometimes opinions dig into common sense.

Resorting to hyperbole proves nothing.

Avoid means stay clear of, getting away from damage. AKA evading, Shields don't make you 'get away" from damage, they reduce the incoming damage or BLOCK it entirely. That isn't "avoiding" so your own wording was your undoing.

Undoing? Sweetheart, the argument isn't about Avoidance Tank vs Mitigation Tank, it's about RDM's being a Tank, which you still haven't presented any concrete evidence against other then DPS!RDM is some sort of sacred cow to you...
So, I apologize for getting your little gaming terminology wrong.

DO you know what "stupid" even means? lack of the word is certainly correct in this situation, as if you have been paying attention to how they have been relasing the jobs you would understand why adding a 4th tank so close to the last one is it self, stupid.)

First off, it is perfectly clear that I didn't not call you stupid, I called the idea that "adding a 4th Tank is none-sense" stupid. Your name calling is uncalled for and uncivilized.
Second, Stupid: lacking intelligence and/or common sense.

Never said they would "stop adding jobs" but as i said above if they FOLLOW THE PATTERN they are going, we won't be getting a tank/healer next jobs, it will be DPS. depending on how long these 2 take. and since they hinted at sam and rdm being next, 1 or both will most likely BE DPS. the other is up for debate, (fearing SAM being tank)

You do realize that in the live letters they said that they wouldn't be adding any more jobs/classes until 4.0 (a.k.a the next expansion). So following that pattern, we got three jobs in this expansion, one tank, one DPS, one healer, we're probably going to get the same in the next, one tank, one DPS, one healer.

[Evangela]

give it up already. you can see how many people "like" these ideas of RDM tank. the previous thread got 2 likes in total.

[Mimilu]

give it up already. you can see how many people "like" these ideas of RDM tank. the previous thread got 2 likes in total.

Yeah...No. ;D
I'm not going to let a bunch of philistines detour me.
Plus, you all are the one who are give this thread free bumps.

[ChazNatlo]

I should point out that a Melee range DPS with strong support ((Light healing and a combat revive, with a few protective skills)) would also cover all the bases of the Red mage. This isn't me saying that you are arguing that there is no other way, mind. I'm certain your mind is open to other possibilities, and you are just offering this one as a potential.

As for Paladin's Kit Melee skills and White Magic not speaking to it's ability as a tank? No, that would be the skill "Cover".

[Blood-Aki]

The majority of their damaging skills now have cast times that require them to stand still in order for them to work. How is that not a caster? Physical vs Magical is purely aesthetic.

So in other words. you don't understand the difference between magical spells, bullets and arrows... well. i cannot help you there. seems like a huge personal issue. But, still, no, they are not casters.. i'm sorry. Hell by this logic PLD is also a caster.

First off, it is perfectly clear that I didn't not call you stupid, I called the idea that "adding a 4th Tank is none-sense" stupid. Your name calling is uncalled for and uncivilized.
Second, Stupid: lacking intelligence and/or common sense.

I am actually starting to think you simply do not read well, cause i didn't call you stupid, either. like yours, my wording was the very idea of it. please read more carefully. for your sake..

You do realize that in the live letters they said that they wouldn't be adding any more jobs/classes until 4.0 (a.k.a the next expansion). So following that pattern, we got three jobs in this expansion, one tank, one DPS, one healer, we're probably going to get the same in the next, one tank, one DPS, one healer.

SO.. is SAM going to be the healer then? if not, then RDM would be the healer.. and SAM the DPS or tank..that would leave one brand new job. which would take one of the 3 roles.. and since there is a very high chance, as i said rdm will be a caster dps. then the only other logical one they can do is healer. Sam or the new job would be the tank. You see what went wrong there i hope..

Those were the only parts worth responding to, honestly, this is just getting silly, and i don't expect any less out of these forums, You can entertain the idea all you like, Just don't be surprised when the job comes out and it won't be anything like you hoped.

[Grimmel]

I wish I could read Japanese instead of having to use google translate to understand them... At least they don't make a billion topics on one subject and instead consolidate all their ideas into one thread without having the need to be a special snowflake with an idea that didn't seem like it took much effort or time at all.

[Mimilu]

[QUOTE=Blood-Aki;3285849]So in other words. you don't understand the difference between magical spells, bullets and arrows... well. i cannot help you there. seems like a huge personal issue. But, still, no, they are not casters.. i'm sorry. Hell by this logic PLD is also a caster.QUOTE]

PLD has one spell with a cast time, Clemency.
BRD has 7 weapon skills with a cast time, Heavy Shot, Straight Shot, Venomous Bite, Quick Nook, Windbite, and Wide Volley, all of which are BRD DPSing meat and potatoes that aren't locked behind cooldowns, and Empyreal Arrow, which is pretty much a supped up version of Bloodletting that can only be used under Wanderer's Minuet.
It's your Magic = Caster logic that makes PLD and DRK casters, seeing as both use magic and that's the only trait you've used to define casters at this point.

I am actually starting to think you simply do not read well, cause i didn't call you stupid, either. like yours, my wording was the very idea of it. please read more carefully. for your sake.

Your post:
"...so close to the last one is it self, stupid.)"

You used a comma, which makes it look like you called me stupid.
Please learn to type better.

SO.. is SAM going to be the healer then? if not, then RDM would be the healer.. and SAM the DPS or tank..that would leave one brand new job. which would take one of the 3 roles.. and since there is a very high chance, as i said rdm will be a caster dps. then the only other logical one they can do is healer. Sam or the new job would be the tank. You see what went wrong there i hope.

Whoever said they had to add SAM and RDM?
Or that they had to add them at the same time?
Who's to say that SE is going to actually add them at all?
This is SE's game, they can teasingly add red-herrings for obsessive fans to find and make theories.
They don't have to be held by the fans' obsessions.

Those were the only parts worth responding to, honestly, this is just getting silly, and i don't expect any less out of these forums, You can entertain the idea all you like, Just don't be surprised when the job comes out and it won't be anything like you hoped.

Oh yes, you are the victim, telling people that their ideas "make no sense" because they don't match yours...
And who ever said I expect them to make RDM like I designed it?
I'm well aware that they will probably do the easy route of making RDM and DPS or Healer IF the ever add it.
I do this for the enjoyment of designing something and getting constructive criticism, which is obvious that I'm not going to get any here.

[Mimilu]

I wish I could read Japanese instead of having to use google translate to understand them... At least they don't make a billion topics on one subject and instead consolidate all their ideas into one thread without having the need to be a special snowflake with an idea that didn't seem like it took much effort or time at all.

Then go culture yourself and learn a new language?

[Blood-Aki]

PLD has one spell with a cast time, Clemency.
BRD has 7 weapon skills with a cast time, Heavy Shot, Straight Shot, Venomous Bite, Quick Nook, Windbite, and Wide Volley, all of which are BRD DPSing meat and potatoes that aren't locked behind cooldowns, and Empyreal Arrow, which is pretty much a supped up version of Bloodletting that can only be used under Wanderer's Minuet.
It's your Magic = Caster logic that makes PLD and DRK casters, seeing as both use magic and that's the only trait you've used to define casters at this point.

Went ahead and bolded the important part for you, If you still cannot understand why none of them getting "cast times" does not make them then a "caster" job, then you are far beyond any hope. i simply just think you're in denial at this point.

Your post:
"...so close to the last one is it self, stupid.)"

You used a comma, which makes it look like you called me stupid.
Please learn to type better.

That it self was a clear indication of what i was talking about, with the comma, Please learn reading comprehension.

The rest is simply trying to hard, But seriously. Stop doing this to your self.