Yoshi P / Dev Team: FAVOR System - Please Fix This BROKEN System

[Roth_Trailfinder]

LOL since when was Lucis considered "catch up" gear?

It is the best MH tool available to a level 50 crafter or gatherer. Having it meant that you had an advantage when climbing to 60 that those lacking it did not.

That's not catch up gear. That's future-proof gear.

Catch up gear is gear that comes out below the top level, that is easier to get than the leveling set it is replacing. It is gear that helps you get caught up to the top level without going through the big grind that the other alternative required. It is never top of the line gear. It is always gear designed to help you get that top of the line gear.

[PirateCat]

It was the highest tier of gear that existed when it came out.
It took loads of preparation and arguably doing the hardest content that existed for the job at the time in order to acquire it.
It was not, strictly speaking, necessary to have in order to perform at the highest level at that point, but it certainly made things easier.
It's still possible to get now if you want, but there are equivalent alternatives that are a lot easier if you're willing to gain a few levels first.

Yep, Dreadwyrm gear certainly seems to fit the definition of catch... oh, were we talking about Lucis? My bad.

[Hanmerreborn]

Making favors blue scrips is a bad idea, it would absolutely flood the market and everyone would have every item as soon as they could gather all of the materials. Despite the fact that they currently serve no use, they are top tier equipment. The gear you get for the actual red scrips is the casual gear, not the crafted gear from the favour mats. You would not even need the items to be on a tome vendor as you can gather blue scrips as much as you want.

Why do you feel this is a bad thing? Why is everyone having the opportunity to make/obtain high level gear induce such a level of distaste from the "hardcore"? Because it takes away your ability to make millions? Because you don't get to feel awesome and special wearing a special glamour?

Gates don't help "casuals", they keep them in a permanent underclass.

[Ranzan]

On other servers, are the prices of the favors item going on anyone else's server? Mine are steady going up after the patch came out. I'm wondering if this is a trend.

[Hennessy]

LOL since when was Lucis considered "catch up" gear?

It is the best MH tool available to a level 50 crafter or gatherer. Having it meant that you had an advantage when climbing to 60 that those lacking it did not.

That's not catch up gear. That's future-proof gear.

Catch up gear is gear that comes out below the top level, that is easier to get than the leveling set it is replacing. It is gear that helps you get caught up to the top level without going through the big grind that the other alternative required. It is never top of the line gear. It is always gear designed to help you get that top of the line gear.

Sorry wrong choice of words from me =( but I hope it's understood what I meant about comparing gear that comes out right before the dead period leading up to an expansion vs. gear that comes out right after an expansion.

[Rath]

On other servers, are the prices of the favors item going on anyone else's server? Mine are steady going up after the patch came out. I'm wondering if this is a trend.

Going down to 75k last I bought them this morning on Coeurl. That was from 150k pre-patch

Seems like 75-120k across all the items now on my server. Actual HQ finished goods are at 5mil, but I do not expect them to sell at that price anymore. Lots of favor mats on the mb lately. 20-50k on alexander (beta alt).

[Rath]

Why do you feel this is a bad thing? Why is everyone having the opportunity to make/obtain high level gear induce such a level of distaste from the "hardcore"? Because it takes away your ability to make millions? Because you don't get to feel awesome and special wearing a special glamour?.

I am a casual fyi. Edited when I got home from here on: So I have no idea what distaste you are referring to.

Casual does not mean lazy, lower class, not willing to earn things, and it does not mean I do not like to feel a sense of accomplishment. It also has nothing to do with making millions. I get to make millions, and feel awesome when I have a special glamour. It has nothing to do with hardcore or casual.

Gates don't help "casuals", they keep them in a permanent underclass.

In fact removing gates that affect the hardcore allows them to remain ahead of anyone with less time, as favors from blue scrips would allow. You can get thousands of blue scrips daily, but not if you are a casual player with less time. You would be forced to buy mats or fall behind if you were aiming for scrip gear or crafted gear. The current rgs gate slows everyone to a very casual pace. You need to craft 1-7 items daily for your scrips or all at once, your choice. You can then buy the casual gear with your scrips tokens, or use favor mats and your tokens to obtain the mats to craft non-casual gear that requires melds.

One option requires little to no effort for gear that is better then anything but the HQ crafted/melded 2 star gear. The other is the more expensive HQ 2 star melded option. Both options have very little advantage over the HQ melded non-starred lvl 60 gear.

Even with billions in gil the resources are limited since the gatherers supplying the mats are also restricted by RGS. This further gates those with more time and allows casual players time to catch up before this gear is actually needed for something.

[Hanmerreborn]

I am a casual fyi.

Doesn't really answer the question.

[Aeyis]

Why do you feel this is a bad thing? Why is everyone having the opportunity to make/obtain high level gear induce such a level of distaste from the "hardcore"? Because it takes away your ability to make millions? Because you don't get to feel awesome and special wearing a special glamour?

Gates don't help "casuals", they keep them in a permanent underclass.

What you are suggesting favors the hardcore actually. Since time investment would still be required.


Don't consider this topic a hardcore vs casual discussion, because it is not.

I'm aware that some give the impression that it's hardcore players disagreeing, but dont be fooled.
Hardcore and casuals alike would rather see a system where we werent gated by RNG grinding, weekly caps, and with an actual reward at the end.

Doesn't really answer the question.

He is whatever is required to make it seem like he's arguing from the right point of view. Which in this case would be the ''casual point of view'', so he's a casual.

[Aeyis]

On other servers, are the prices of the favors item going on anyone else's server? Mine are steady going up after the patch came out. I'm wondering if this is a trend.

No idea. Only been watching the prices of the crafter materials, and refined materials; both of which have gone down on my server. Mostly due to speculation however.