What Roles would you like for Samurai and Red Mage?

[Radacci]

Samurai should be a hybrid tank/dps.

Red Mage should be a hybrid healer/dps.

you mean like PLD/WAR/DRK, are hybrid tank/dps?
and SCH/WHM being hybrid healer/dps?

Make Samurai, Red Mage, and Blue Mage able to do multiple roles.
Samurai > Tank or can switch to > Melee DPS
Red Mage > Healer or with can switch to > Ranged DPS
Blue Mage > Tank, Heal, or DPS depending on which monster skills or skill tree they use.
Although it would be cool, there of course would be gear issues lol maybe its not as good of an idea as i thought unless someone can think of something else.

Red Mage = Melee DPS with heals/nukes.
Please =D

Red mage: physical melee dps/long range magic dps/healer, however red mage does not regen mp during battles, bards can sing for them though.

more like Magic Sword - imbue wep with magic, to make attacks.

Blue Mages... melee/dps-support... new job, starts at level 30..... hails from the continent of Meracydia, home of the Miqo'te... uses skills and abilities derived from the 26 totem animals (some support others dps, more powerful animals power the big skills like lv-50) of the Seekers of the Sun.

Red Mages... magic/dps-support... new job, starts at level 30..... hails from the continent of Meracydia, home of the Miqo'te... uses skills and spell derived from tribal blood magic (dps/en-spells/other skills) of the Keepers of the Moon.


There you go SE.... you're welcome.

there's no support jobs.

there are no multi-role jobs. All tanks can switch to DPS stance.
healers can switch to atk
neither are as good as real DPS jobs.

why do ppl make up new rules to the game? you're just gonna be disappointed.

SAM should be melee DPS
RDM should be melee-magic - like i stated above, using Magic Sword. Having some ranged magic attacks, like NIN, does.
I mean....WHM is already like red mages, in that they got both whm spells, and damage spells. so i don't see how they would make a job that is both as good at healing as current healers, and good at DPS, as BLM - if they are sub-par on both, no one will want them in pt...sort of like MCH and AST, at launch.
RDM needs to be good at one role, not multiple roles. it could be a DPS like SMN who has heals too, but suck at it. so you'd waste your DPS if you were healing.

[NorthernLadMSP]

I would prefer Samurai to be tank, Red Mage to be a magic DPS (because we need a new magic DPS) and want the new healer to be Dancer. Though I'm not sure how Dancer would work - you wouldn't be able to give them regens or shields for fear of WHM and SCH complaining endlessly that their classes aren't unique anymore.

[karateorangutang]

Pure dps classes pls. If tanking was any bit interesting in this game samurai might have been cool tank with manual parrying etc, but this aint that game.

And pls, no more "support dps" either.

But....

Tanking is more fun than DPS....

[Pimmony]

Samurai = Tanker with katana who change stance (Japanese Sword Stance Name) for "Full Tank" or "Full DPS" like Warrior
Red Mage = Healer with rapier (no idea about this job now)

Stop add any DPS now. we have 7 Class of DPS now!!!

[Rhaja]

Samurai = Tanker with katana who change stance (Japanese Sword Stance Name) for "Full Tank" or "Full DPS" like Warrior
Red Mage = Healer with rapier (no idea about this job now)

Stop add any DPS now. we have 7 Class of DPS now!!!

>_> but people like the dps! Though if they make RDM a healer then I demand Dancer be made a melee support >=[

[Lollie]

Sam: devs have all but confirmed is going to be a dps when they implement it. I could go either way on it personally.

Rdm: I would love to see them go old school melee caster dps, saber and temper and fast are not foreign abilities to xiv by a long shot and maybe regen as their self heal that they can use on another party member with much higher cooldown obviously.

[OMEGA_HACK]

Sam devs have all but confirmed is going to be a dps when they implement it. I could go either way on it personally.

Rdm I would love to see them go old school melee caster dps, saber and temper and fast are not foreign abilities to xiv by a long shot and maybe regen as their self heal that they can use on another party member with much higher cooldown obviously.

lol Sam Devs? I believe you are referencing--somewhat incorrectly--a comment, or better yet a musing, by Yoshida where he was talking about Dark Knight or Samurai would have come to this expansion (3.0) but Dark Knight fit the bill better, he goes on to say that he feels that a Shogun would be more akin to a tank role than a FF Samurai. However that was his feeling, while he is the director of the game and ultimately in charge of the game he is also in charge of balancing said game, like already mentioned there are currently 7 damage dealers, 3 tanks, and 3 healers. If balance is at the heart of their motto, and we do see BLUE MAGE, SAMURAI, and RED MAGE in the next expansion (which were the three jobs teased in The Rising event) then it will undoubtedly be:

Samurai: Tank
Red Mage: Healer
Blue Mage: DPS

I say this primarily because they will more than likely keep the 1:1:1 ratio for each expansion to preserve the "balance" and Blue Mage, being a job that learns monster abilities, can only be a Damage Dealer since roughly 90% of named monster abilities deal damage and making a job that only utilizes 10% of the monster abilities in existence is gonna piss off a lot of players who like the idea of the Blue Mage Job. That whittles us down to two roles left: Healer and Tank. While Red Mage can certainly be a tank and Samurai can kinda be a healer (using spirits and stuff) more than likely they will pick the more traditional of the role for Red Mage. While Black Mage is primarily a Fire/Ice (with a touch of Lightning) and White Mage is primarily Wind/Earth (with a touch of Water) I would like to see Red Mage as a healer that uses the Water Element for healing and the Lightning Element for damage with party buffs mixed in, let it wield a Rapier for a weapon and allow them to equip small shields and make it a front/mid line type job. That would complete the "elemental wheel" in terms of us being able to wield them.

As for Samurai, you need look no further than an idea I posted a while back on the job. In a nutshell its primary way of tanking is through Parry and their exclusive ability: Counter. Because to me, in anime, Japanese culture, and Japanese history, the role of a Samurai was never as an "aggressor" but more of a defender; but that doesn't mean they were not deadly, through defense they created an amazing offensive with countering and destroying those that would cause them or those they swore their allegiance to harm. That is the true role of a Samurai. The link to my idea can be found HERE.

[AlphaFox]

Samurai = Tanker with katana who change stance (Japanese Sword Stance Name) for "Full Tank" or "Full DPS" like Warrior
Red Mage = Healer with rapier (no idea about this job now)

Stop add any DPS now. we have 7 Class of DPS now!!!

More DPS is a good thing actually. Gives more variety to the game cus lets face it. Tankers are going to tank, we saw this with all the people who rank to DRK then immediately dropped it to go back to DPSing. I am not a fan of tanking, at all, it doesn't matter what job you give to the tank position I am very unlikely to pick it up.

And as above, if Red mage gets put as a healer, I will certainly play it but my expectation of it will be shot o.O

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Sam needs to be a dps, but I think red mage should be a tank or healer honestly.

[OMEGA_HACK]

More DPS is a good thing actually. Gives more variety to the game cus lets face it. Tankers are going to tank, we saw this with all the people who rank to DRK then immediately dropped it to go back to DPSing. I am not a fan of tanking, at all, it doesn't matter what job you give to the tank position I am very unlikely to pick it up.

And as above, if Red mage gets put as a healer, I will certainly play it but my expectation of it will be shot o.O

I should note if you read the Census info graphs from 2015 and compare them to the 2014 ones, Tanking and Healing actually GREW in percent while DPS shrank, which means that placing attractive jobs in certain roles can and will influence a player's decision, which means that Tanks and healers will probably continue to get the more widely "desirable" jobs added to them to help with the balance, rather than coming out with an expansion that has 3 new tanks and nothing else. (make sense?)