To all the flames on primal datacenter...

[Februs]

Dunno what you're on about, the tools are right there for PLD's TP management: Enliven, icarus wings, regain feathers. Never have an issue even sprinting all over the place.

The autoattack thing is definitely false, it's just most people play Legacy controls and run all over the place. Standard ftw. Doesn't hurt to autolock either when you need it.

When I was talking about Tp management I was referring to PvE, not PVP. I never have Tp issues in PvP, but, in some PvE boss fights (especially those with limited interruptions to your rotation) a PLD can completely drain their TP several times over with the current gear set. Skill speed increased, and our move set got buffed, but our Tp is in pain for it.

As for auto attacking, Legacy controls or not, it doesn't change the fact that your auto attack isn't going to make or break the dps on any targets. People run around, and, unless you're glued to them, your auto attack isn't doing an substantial boost to Dps in PvP. Auto lock is a good tip, but even that is not going to do a lot. If the Dps haven't burned down your stunned target before the stun wears off, and that target isn't a total moron, he will likely have ran back to his healers with his tale tucked firmly between his legs. Another shield swipe might make the difference, but sword oath isn't doing much of anything.

[Reen24]

Mael blessed with an A rank and two B's, by their spawn, Flames shitting on Adders for a 20 percent B node. Happens too many times.

[Dimitrii]

Mael blessed with an A rank and two B's, by their spawn, Flames shitting on Adders for a 20 percent B node. Happens too many times.

When your GC starts building a reputation for doing things like sending a small party to an opposing GC's spawn while that GC is in a large skirmish far away with the third GC, or trapping the last place team in a pincer, all in an effort to farm kills then yeah you gonna start building a lot of vitriol among the other 2 GC like that. I had no idea it ran that deep though till this thread lol.

[Trixxy]

Well in Chaos it's always Adders + Flames.
Whichever group is further behind is currently busy spawncamping Mael's.

[Dimitrii]

Well in Chaos it's always Adders + Flames.
Whichever group is further behind is currently busy spawncamping Mael's.

Too bad for chaos maelstrom then

[RygaenYuui]

This has been my overall experience playing with Primal flames groups in Frontlines since its release.



^
His initial question was, "How do I become less squishy"

Most of them don't even know that they have PvP abilities. Kinda glad that Seal Rock AT LEAST gave a minimum ilvl to queue, where secure and slaughter had none; but honestly It's Primal DF, and unfortunately a LARGE chunk of the bad players are attracted to Uldah for w/e reason. Add that onto the additional amount chocked full of bad decisions during most PvP matches generally leads to this mentality of "Well we're not going to win, let's focus this group instead."

[EddardStark]

No, you're just the only premade that has to constantly announce it any time you're there.

In my experience, pvp amateurs and solo queues are more apt to follow the calls of a preformed group. The macro is fun, if a little ostentatious, but also serves a purpose in quieting the inexperienced callers as well as providing reassurance that the group probably has some level of competency. CuC groups tend to do very well as evidenced by our 21-3-0 record when entering with at least a party the last two days. Are we proud of our group? Yes. Are we noisy about it? Guilty. Is there a purpose beyond being braggarts? Absolutely.

Right now I'm chowing down on a regular peanut butter sandwich. Why? You stole all the damn jelly.

[DenariusJay]

Adders and flames do have a legit feud on primal though.. as someone who has played on both sides; when I was flame, we spawn camped adders alot (in the games I was in atleast) and now being Adder's I see flames always gunnin' for us specially when Compton Most Wanted crew is on doing drive-bys on our spawn point >.<

[Dimitrii]

Here's hoping you guys keep spawn killing each other then. But I suspect that not everyone in your grand companies got the feud memo cause if that 21 win record past 2 days that guy mentioned came mostly during the evening hrs of 8 pm to 1 am eastern I can tell you adder played a large role in seeing that come to fruition.

[Februs]

Snip.

I think this kind of thing tends to happen because SE really didn't do anything to introduce PvP in FFXIV properly.

There are practically no tutorials (brief conversations with NPC, you know, the ones that most people skip through? Yeah, they don't count), no lobbies for different game modes, no leader boards, the stats on pvp gear often don't make sense, the wolf's mark system is practically useless, the skill points system is quacked, and the ranking system is broken and unnecessarily grindy (considering there's practically no rewards for getting max rank and it means almost nothing because SE goes out of their way to make PvP "Fair" instead of competitive) ... The list goes on. People who want to learn PvP are left alone to figure it out by themselves. They can read item descriptions for PvP gear, but other than that they're left to just jump in and hope for the best.

On top of that, SE, in their infinite wisdom, decided to provide PvE rewards for PvP. So, we get a ton of people who don't even care about the game mode, just eso bonuses. Now you've got an entire breed of players in the game mode that are leading the learning people astray by showing them bad habits or cultivating bad attitudes by trying to get them to not care. "We're just gonna lose, so why try?" Sad to say, but that kind of mentality does tend to rub off on the mindless masses, especially when they don't know any better.

Honestly, given the list of things that make PvP seemingly inaccessible to new players, it's a wonder that some people have stuck with it at all.