What makes WHM special? Nothing anymore.

[Assirra]

The 50% drop in potency of Protect and StoneSkin for WHM begs to differ with you on that score. Cutting the potency or effectiveness of those two skills more than qualifies as a nerf.

That was in HW launch, not this patch that just happened.
I might have overlooked the threads but i couldn't see it being such a big thing with it barely mentioned and now people act like the sky fell from the heavens.

[Jerichai]

Facts were provided, explanations given, more than once or twice. People now are just whining for the sake of whining and it's no surprise that this whining usually come from uninformed people that proved (more than once or twice) that they don't even know how AST skills work.

See, there's that animosity I was referring to. How you say things matters as much as the content you're trying to convey. If people feel your statements are intended to attack, they tend to shutdown to your message, even if that message is ultimately right.

Personal attacks and anger are dead weight when it comes to teaching.

[ViDare]

The 50% drop in potency of Protect and StoneSkin for WHM begs to differ with you on that score. Cutting the potency or effectiveness of those two skills more than qualifies as a nerf.

Please check your facts, Proshell was taken away and just given default to Protect so you didn't suffer a nerf there and Graniteskin changed the 10% stoneskin to 18%

[SenzorialBoundries]

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i loved holy pallas more but that is preference , just loved beacon of faith ^_^

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i fully aggree that is why whm should and must remain unique,it wasnt so noticable pre 3.0 because you only had 2 healing classes and scholars couldnt aoe heal for jack (another thing they kinda took away from whm since they gave sch more power in the aoe departament),you see i am not against ast buffs or making the class competitive or what not, i am against it if its at the expense of the other 2 classes,sch is not AS much affected as WHM is, for all i care they could make AST the uncontested single target healer,sch would still have their superior mitigation and whm superior aoe heals, now the difference is so small and insignificant that it does not matter at all what you bring to a raid,i also admit that one of the biggest problems imho fueling to this class dispute is the small party size where composition does not matter.

[Risvertasashi]

Please check your facts, Proshell was taken away and just given default to Protect so you didn't suffer a nerf there and Graniteskin changed the 10% stoneskin to 18%

...which is a 45% loss of Stoneskin's potency so she wasn't far off on that count.

[Raso]

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*Cure 3 has such a short range that it really isnt something that is THAT useful.
*Synasty is stronger than DS now, which may be a bug.
*PoM beats Lightspeed only if you are chain casting something like Medica with no overhealing at all. The short CD is nice but doesn't help a lot with how fights work as big hits are farther apart.
* Assize is best used for mana return and used on CD even if its overhealing, the Mana gain would have been better used on something else to make the spell more useful for heals.
*DPS skills. Gravity is better than Holy due to its lower cost, faster cast time and ranged, Holy's one unique thing is a stun which isn't good in raids. The only thing that a WHM has over AST is Aero III which doesn't help balance it vs cards, all the other spells are potency vs cast time.
* The mind bonus is around 30 Mind at level 60 that is not a big deal really.

In all its only like 3% difference now in healing, The lack of unique qualities to counter the 30 sec cards are the real problem though.

[Lastelli]

See, there's that animosity I was referring to. How you say things matters as much as the content you're trying to convey. If people feel your statements are intended to attack, they tend to shutdown to your message, even if that message is ultimately right.

Personal attacks and anger are dead weight when it comes to teaching.

I'm just stating a fact. I'm not sure why you believe that people should be legimitated to spread misinformation writing false/silly things on this forum just because I'm not so nice and caring while telling them what they write is wrong. I've read all kind of bs in the last 2 days here, and it always comes from the same persons. After giving them explanations and receiving baseless rants in return, I'm a little annoyed, yes.
Good lord, I could swear I've read comments saying things like "every respectable sch uses selene" or that "emergency tactics is useless", that sch was nerfed and whatnot, this is getting beyond ridiculous.

[GideonHighmourn]

*Cure 3 has such a short range that it really isnt something that is THAT useful.

Cure 3 has plenty of uses, and is a tool that the AST toolkit lacks.

*Synasty is stronger than DS now, which may be a bug.

False. Synastry is a 20% increase with a 90s CD, DS is a 30% increase with a 60s CD. Synastry is only "better" when you're healing the Synastry target.

*PoM beats Lightspeed only if you are chain casting something like Medica with no overhealing at all. The short CD is nice but doesn't help a lot with how fights work as big hits are farther apart.

LS isn't for throughput increases, it's for MP reduction. It has a completely different use and application than PoM.

* Assize is best used for mana return and used on CD even if its overhealing, the Mana gain would have been better used on something else to make the spell more useful for heals.

Assize is mostly for MP regeneration, but can also give really good AoE DPS on large pulls. It's a great tool that AST lacks.

*DPS skills. Gravity is better than Holy due to its lower cost, faster cast time and ranged, Holy's one unique thing is a stun which isn't good in raids. The only thing that a WHM has over AST is Aero III which doesn't help balance it vs cards, all the other spells are potency vs cast time.

Gravity has such a short AoE range on it, which many people don't realize. AST AoE DPS is terrible compared to WHM, especially since Holy comes with a stun component. Aero III + Assize + Holy >>>>>>> Gravity.

Gravity is ranged, but that hardly makes it "better" than Holy.

[AlphaSonic]

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I agree with that. I would have prefered that CU instead of giving mitigation and regen gave a DPS boost to all allies inside the bubble. That would have been more unique and wouldn't have conflicted with WHM and SCH.
Now that I tried AST and WHM both at the same time i feel like they are playing too similar.

[Yorumi]

I'm just stating a fact. I'm not sure why you believe that people should be legimitated to spread misinformation writing false/silly things on this forum just because I'm not so nice and caring while telling them what they write is wrong. I've read all kind of bs in the last 2 days here, and it always comes from the same persons. After giving them explanations and receiving baseless rants in return, I'm a little annoyed, yes.

Could it not be argued you're guilty of exactly what you're ranting about? You have someone calmly explaining why you're wrong in your hostile responses and instead of changing you dig in deeper continue to say the same thing and give him baseless rants in return.