Huge Problem with astro pre buff, is now even worse post buff. ENMITY

[Sinaloa]

Thanks for this. Yeah we had to adjust before the buffs too. As soon as i saw the patch notes i was worried and it ended up being worse than i thought it would be.

The encounter didn´t change.
You don´t overheal.
You have enmity problems post-patch.
The tank is playing well.
The tank didn´t change his playstyle.

Choose any four of those statements. Tell us the one that is not true and we may help you.

[RylaiShendelzare]

The encounter didn´t change.
You don´t overheal.
You have enmity problems post-patch.
The tank is playing well.
The tank didn´t change his playstyle.

Choose any four of those statements. Tell us the one that is not true and we may help you.

Didnt think i had to explain this but okey.

More healing potency = more healing.

More healing = fairy not having to pick up the slack.

More healing = i can solo heal in more places than i could have before

This does not increase overheal%.

And there were some enmity problem in a3s pre patch too. Now its alot worse now that ast is whm levels of healing.

No real hate reduction is a complete oversight on the dev teams part.

Im not posting for advice. Im posting because the people who would see this is, A3S with a AST main healer with no ninja where the scholar isnt carrying heals.. There is a very small amount of groups like this.

[Heavensword]

Seriously though, I think your tank has a serious case of GIT GUD. True, increase potency means increase aggro generation. But, those increased potency SHOULD NOT be anywhere close to pulling off tanks, whatsoever. I think the issue is this: Your PLD feels pressured by the community uproar about tough dps checks in Alex Savage, how PLD overall dps is lower than a Lalafell's kneecap etc., etc, which in turn makes him go FB->RB->GB/FB->SB->RA more than he should have. If he is keeping up his Halone combo and/or adding in some Flash in between for good measure there is no way he would have lost aggro.

If I can hold aggro when I was i148 PLD pitted again i180-190 dps, I am pretty sure your PLD can hold you AST aggro, post-buffed or no.

TLDR: RoH MOAR!

[Argyle_Darkheart]

You could have the WAR pull with Unchained, if there's REALLY no other way to fix it.

[MythToken]

Get better tanks.

Also you are doing it wrong. Clearly. Since you are pulling hate something is wrong.
By all the other vast comments and ideas that have been offered, and rejected by OP. Clearly he is never wrong, and is doing everything right.

TLDR:
the game is broken, OP is perfect.

End of thread.

[Haxetc]

Been clearing a3s for 4 weeks with an AST. Haven't run into any hate issues. It's obviously a skill issue. Don't make the Dev team adjust the game to make up for your groups lack of skill in the first actual turn of Savage Alex. The fact you MT with a PLD is terrible as is. Git gud.

[Kuwagami]

A healer should NEVER be able to pull hate from a 100% shield oath tank, 3 minutes into a fight. Ever. 3 minutes of a tank building aggro. With strength accessorizes increasing their damage and therefore hate gain. With selene also increasing their damage. And card buffs.

One has never stepped into a "medica 2 at pull" type of WHM.


Also, looking at what you're claiming, there are only 2 possibilities :

=> your paladin is bad

=> you're overhealing like hell

(bonus : a mix of the 2)

[RylaiShendelzare]

Been clearing a3s for 4 weeks with an AST. Haven't run into any hate issues. It's obviously a skill issue. Don't make the Dev team adjust the game to make up for your groups lack of skill in the first actual turn of Savage Alex. The fact you MT with a PLD is terrible as is. Git gud.

A3s wasnt even cleared 4 weeks ago.

Why are you posting? in fact, why are SO many people posting who have no idea what they are talking about but see, to really not want AST to get a buff, that really is just a fix for a problem that shouldnt exist.

[Kuwagami]

A3s wasnt even cleared 4 weeks ago.

Why are you posting? in fact, why are SO many people posting who have no idea what they are talking about but see, to really not want AST to get a buff, that really is just a fix for a problem that shouldnt exist.

Huh ? As3 was clered the 2nd week of its release, and it's the 7th week right now. Even though only a handful of groups can claim 5/6 kills, I can definitively see a few more claiming their 4th kills this week.

[Risvertasashi]

...Just want to add a comment I haven't seen yet (well, except by the allusion of calling tanks bad).

So... all 3 tanks, as of this expac, have a lot more options than their high enmity combo generator. Even PLD isn't 1-2-3 anymore. I too had a problem of pulling off the tank in A3S because A1S didn't need that level of AoE healing and A2S needs almost none. Now in A3S... it turned out to simply be a matter that tanks need to use their enmity combo more. I would take a good hard look at what your tanks are doing. Maximizing DPS is a noble goal but if there's a lot of AoE damage going out (as in A3S)... they just need to run through their enmity combo a few more times (and let the SCH handle the deeps end, or similar).