What makes WHM special? Nothing anymore.

[Fevelle]

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Again: my problem isn't and will never be a job having a "better and different something" than me. My problem is a job having what I have. I can't see where I said ANYTHING about being threatened by some class, I feel threatened by the lack of imagination from SQEX part. Instead of reworking the card system, reworking the playstyle and making the original class design work well, SQEX just changed potency and durations, basically. If I played AST, I would be as mad as I am now with my WHM because I'd never want to play a mimicked conjurer with restraints.

[Muahbec]

Again: my problem isn't and will never be a job having a "better and different something" than me. My problem is a job having what I have. I can't see where I said ANYTHING about being threatened by some class, I feel threatened by the lack of imagination from SQEX part. Instead of reworking the card system, reworking the playstyle and making the original class design work well, SQEX just changed potency and durations, basically. If I played AST, I would be as mad as I am now with my WHM because I'd never want to play a mimicked conjurer with restraints.

As i said it is not the same, WHM is way safer than AST in raids. The amount of CDs whm have is insane next to AST.
you're being too dramatic
sure AST could have been unique? SURE that would be awesome, but it isn't and it seems like it will never be, so stop whining about it.
That's why i love my server people play with the jobs that they love and have fun while playing it, and don't waste time discussing about this useless stuff

[Lexie]

I'm all for it being a competitive healer, but in his own, unique way. I can't really believe you think the best way to balance AST was getting it potency increase, instead of buffing, reworking or increasing its uniqueness and cards enough to make a difference and be a viable exchange for its weaker heals.

your right I mean as a raid leader why would I want one healer to only be able to do the job of HEALING on par with the other healers. We are healers first and foremost and are there to do one thing first make sure to put band-aids on the derps and keep the tanks alive and the biggest issue was not being able to cover the durps and keep the tanks going strong enough to not be able to play catch up and oh crud with mana at the end. When you need an Ewer card because someone durped to recover that mp back you can bet it will not be the one your going to get.

[Fevelle]

your right I mean as a raid leader why would I want one healer to only be able to do the job of HEALING on par with the other healers. We are healers first and foremost and are there to do one thing first make sure to put band-aids on the derps and keep the tanks alive and the biggest issue was not being able to cover the durps and keep the tanks going strong enough to not be able to play catch up and oh crud with mana at the end. When you need an Ewer card because someone durped to recover that mp back you can bet it will not be the one your going to get.

Yes, I don't take your reason. Your card system is still broken. C'mon, even a Trait that enhances the rate of drawing Ewer at XX% MP would be good, but instead SE overlooked a flawed job design and said "let's just increase some potencies and durations and make them closer to WHMs since they're a safer healer". Do you see my problem?

[Fevelle]

As i said it is not the same, WHM is way safer than AST in raids. The amount of CDs whm have is insane next to AST.
you're being too dramatic
sure AST could have been unique? SURE that would be awesome, but it isn't and it seems like it will never be, so stop whining about it.
That's why i love my server people play with the jobs that they love and have fun while playing it, and don't waste time discussing about this useless stuff

I'm only discussing here because I'm working now, the little time I get at home I spend playing my class and doing things I like in the game. I'm not that monster you think I am, who spends all its time complaining about other people's jobs. I'm complaining about Square and job designs, so please don't get me wrong.

[BroodingFicus]

*snip*

Beautifully explained.

[Blood-Aki]

Oh, this is awsome, now that AST has gotten buffs and is viable to use and can compete for a spot, NOW the WHM crying threads are starting because having the strongest heals is just not enough anymore, Will this ever end?

[DawnSolaria]

Yes, I don't take your reason. Your card system is still broken. C'mon, even a Trait that enhances the rate of drawing Ewer at XX% MP would be good, but instead SE overlooked a flawed job design and said "let's just increase some potencies and durations and make them closer to WHMs since they're a safer healer". Do you see my problem?

Because higher chance to draw card is still a chance, its not RELIABLE. Potency boost is RELIABLE, which is something AST desperately needed.

[Noira]

What a lot of you guys seem to neglect is:

A) It doesn't matter if SE buffed the cards (which they kinda did), because those cards don't mean a thing if you can't keep the party alive.

B) Why are you guys in tears over Astro getting heal potency buffs ? Astro now has the uniqueness of Noc granting us strong Aoe shields, which makes us the best aoe shielder.

C) Are we really going to make "muh Heeps D:" a thing ? Like really ?

[BroodingFicus]

What a lot of you guys seem to neglect is:

A) It doesn't matter if SE buffed the cards (which they kinda did), because those cards don't mean a thing if you can't keep the party alive.

B) Why are you guys in tears over Astro getting heal potency buffs ? Astro now has the uniqueness of Noc granting us strong Aoe shields, which makes us the best aoe shielder.

C) Are we really going to make "muh Heeps D:" a thing ? Like really ?

It is also being neglected that this is not /all/ about AST. There are plenty of threads about the buffs and why or how they should have been done differently. It is a part of the argument but I think it more or less just made a problem in progress all the more obvious rather than being the root of it.

No WHM was thrilled when we lost Granite skin etc either, which essentially just made us less unique. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem being the healer that can save groups from stupid/bad luck/lag/being under geared or whatever causes people to suddenly end up on the brink of death. If that is to be our identity, I'm all for it. I just feel they need to go further to differentiate us if that is the case. Potency now is too uniform for that to be the selling point of the WHM and our DPS, while it has some punch, is also limited by the fact that we have to be very careful when we stance dance since our regens can only do so much to hold off death in our absence. I'm not an expert and I imagine its tough as heck to balance healers considering they all have to...you know...keep you from becoming a corpse and that is really the only claim to fame WHM ever had. Maybe give WHM some other idle 'oh crap' move to further shove them into a niche once more? Something connected to their protect again that triggers a small heal when a player drops under such and such hp percentage and 'eats' the protect buff to save their life. Then goes on a(probably large) cooldown for that player for an extended amount of time or until combat is over? I don't know. Just throwing out ideas.

The ideal situation would be each healer adding something special to the mix. AST and SCH have that something already. WHM just needs a bit of help in that department. Maybe the best thing to do here is not have a AST vs WHM war but ask if anyone has suggestions for keeping us all from morphing into one another for the sake of balance?