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  1. #31
    Player DawnSolaria's Avatar
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    Dawn Solaria
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    Mateus
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Coltvoyance View Post
    Hey, he has a lvl 60 White Mage... it's just spelled as "Astrologian" after all AST = WHM + Cards.
    Salty level: Ocean.
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  2. #32
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    Fevelle's Avatar
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    Fiona Greentear
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Muahbec View Post
    Well, you have no lv 60 job as far as i'm aware, so why are you even here?
    Also the whole drama in your post is highly unnecessary.
    Stop.
    Because I pay as much (really, even more because I have 8 retainers) as you to play this game. I don't really care how many jobs you have at 60, our opinions have the same weight when it comes to game design. If you're okay with seeing your class lose Proshell, Graniteskin and having the only thing that made it stand up taken away (raw-healing power), I am not.
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  3. #33
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    Coltvoyance's Avatar
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    Athaleiya Eclesiance
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    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Fevelle View Post
    Because I pay as much (really, even more because I have 8 retainers) as you to play this game. I don't really care how many jobs you have at 60, our opinions have the same weight when it comes to game design. If you're okay with seeing your class lose Proshell, Graniteskin and having the only thing that made it stand up taken away (raw-healing power), I am not.
    THANK YOU!
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  4. #34
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    Richard Butte
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    Hyperion
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Coltvoyance View Post
    Hey, he has a lvl 60 White Mage... it's just spelled as "Astrologian" after all AST = WHM + Cards.
    ...and minus:
    -an AoE that heals everyone for 300, damages all enemies for 300 AND restores 10% of my mana
    -a 30% boost to healing power for 15 sec on a minute CD (which boosts HoTs, unlike AST's Synastry)
    -a bubble that doesn't require channeling
    -E4E
    -Virus
    -a mana restoring ability that reduces aggro immediately instead of just reducing aggro generated while it's active
    -not one but TWO instant-cast heals that restore a crapton of HP (one restores ALL HP, while the other is 700 potency)
    -an instant HoT with 150 potency (as opposed to AST's 140) which lasts for 21 seconds as opposed to 18 seconds and costs less mana (618 vs. AST's 707)
    -the far more important MND party buff instead of PIE

    Seriously, can we stop the whining now?
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  5. #35
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    Jabtangs's Avatar
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    Jabby Ori
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    Behemoth
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    Culinarian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Fevelle View Post
    Because I pay as much (really, even more because I have 8 retainers) as you to play this game. I don't really care how many jobs you have at 60, our opinions have the same weight when it comes to game design. If you're okay with seeing your class lose Proshell, Graniteskin and having the only thing that made it stand up taken away (raw-healing power), I am not.
    Technically it doesnt weight the same if two people have difference in understanding of how the classes work. Having played jobs at 60 will clearly give you better understanding of how it works than reading it on paper or reading whiner posts on forums.
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  6. #36
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    Fevelle's Avatar
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    Fiona Greentear
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    Behemoth
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Jabtangs View Post
    Technically it doesnt weight the same if two people have difference in understanding of how the classes work. Having played jobs at 60 will clearly give you better understanding of how it works than reading it on paper or reading whiner posts on forums.
    As I said before, I'm not whining about AST. I'm whining about MY CLASS, that I play since 2.2. Since Heavensward launch, WHM lost a lot of things due to balance reasons and it eneded up being a generic healer. We don't have anything to offer the party that other classes can't offer too.
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  7. #37
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    SenzorialBoundries's Avatar
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    Polaris Sonata
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    Phoenix
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by RichardButte View Post
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    You are wrong on so many levels. You can either heal everyone for 300 pot or Dmg for 300 pot the dmg is not worth taking into account if you are not into cleric stance so no you cant do both at the same time , like your CU.
    -E4E has a huge cooldown for whm
    -Virus is worthless for a whm 99% of the tank busters in this game are magical dmg , normal virus does not reduces INT, i think ravensbeak is physical and maybe secondary head (not sure about that)
    -bene never restores 100% hp ever , best case scenario is 99% normal case maybe arround 75%ish
    -you mean asylum ? again look at your CU , you get frggin both 10% reduction and a huge hot (which you can expand)

    Stop kiddin brah


    Only thing that makes WHM special now is the ability to use a Cane instead of a Star Globe.
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  8. #38
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    AlphaSonic's Avatar
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    Shaartis Laggal
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    Louisoix
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Fevelle View Post
    As I said before, I'm not whining about AST. I'm whining about MY CLASS, that I play since 2.2. Since Heavensward launch, WHM lost a lot of things due to balance reasons and it eneded up being a generic healer. We don't have anything to offer the party that other classes can't offer too.
    Mind bonus? Best burst healing? You should feel threatened about SCH that got Indomitability and Emergency tactics.
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  9. #39
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    MichiKyou's Avatar
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    Mevra Noor
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    Balmung
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    Pugilist Lv 81
    *The Scholar pokes her head in, looks around, backs away slowly from the AST WHM hate*
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    Square, can we have an OCE fanfest now?

  10. #40
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    Coltvoyance's Avatar
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    Athaleiya Eclesiance
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    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SenzorialBoundries View Post
    You can either heal everyone for 300 pot or Dmg for 300 pot the dmg is not worth taking into account if you are not into cleric stance so no you cant do both at the same time , like your CU.
    -E4E has a huge cooldown for whm
    -Virus is worthless for a whm 99% of the tank busters in this game are magical dmg , normal virus does not reduces INT, i think ravensbeak is physical and maybe secondary head (not sure about that)
    -bene never restores 100% hp ever , best case scenario is 99% normal case maybe arround 75%ish
    -you mean asylum ? again look at your CU , you get frggin both 10% reduction and a huge hot (which you can expand)

    Stop kiddin brah


    Only thing that makes WHM special now is the ability to use a Cane instead of a Star Globe.
    Indeed. Everything special about the class was either taken away or imitated. Although I would Argue WHM is special because it can use Physical Shields like a Paladin... TAKE THAT SCH AND AST! ONLY MAGIC SHIELDS FOR YOU!
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