Overreaction to Astrologian buff.

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

See give them one buff they'll ask for more. This is already the second round. Maybe next patch all cards will last for 1 minute and have double the effect because why not.

This is why I have no interest in working with an Ast at all.

Now you've become more annoying than Vlady was and that's saying a lot. >.>
How old are you? I can't believe someone acting this immature about a job in the game lol. You don't even have AST leveled to 60! You don't know one thing about what people who played the job prebuffs had to deal with. You are so damn biased. Please stop being so childish, close-minded and ignorant about the job.

Eh you know what, my point stands but I should learn by now it's useless to talk to this kind of people. *shrugs* I'll refrain myself from paying attention to further comments like this to avoid headaches all over again. :x

[SenzorialBoundries]

Now you've become more annoying than Vlady was and that's saying a lot. >.>
How old are you? I can't believe someone acting this immature about a job in the game lol. You don't even have AST leveled to 60! You don't know one thing about what people who played the job prebuffs had to deal with. You are so damn biased. Please stop being so childish, close-minded and ignorant about the job.

As biased as all the ppl who ask for even more astrologian buffs( had one astrologian in game who was very displeased that astros don't have virus and E4E), maybe if they fix scholar issues things will settle but hey they only need to tweak 2-3 skills not an entire kit and its still not happening.

[ckc22]

Now you've become more annoying than Vlady was and that's saying a lot. >.>
How old are you? I can't believe someone acting this immature about a job in the game lol. You don't even have AST leveled to 60! You don't know one thing about what people who played the job prebuffs had to deal with. You are so damn biased. Please stop being so childish, close-minded and ignorant about the job.

I don't need to have Ast to 60. I never will because I'll never play it. You're any less biased or childish? Please. Were astrologians complaining before buff immature, childish, close-minded and ignorant? Most of those posts had the exact same flavor.

[RichardButte]

Were astrologians complaining before buff immature, childish, close-minded and ignorant? Most of those posts had the exact same flavor.

No, most of them were very reasonable, very well-thought out posts about how they might fix AST without overpowering it. Many were from people who had Savage experience with both AST and at least one other healing class.

And are you seriously whining about SCH...? I mean, really? I've dual mained SCH and AST with the same gear and SCH is definitely still better than AST. Even if AST healing potency was WAY better (which it ain't...), SCH still stomps it flat in mana recovery, emergency healing, AND DPS potency.

Sorry, man, but actually get to 60 on AST, try the class against SCH with similar gear and then you'll have the right to actually call things one way or another...

[TraeSnow]

I don't really see it as an overreaction. They are more concerns.
SE already said it themselves. That even after the buff, they are going to continue to monitor Astro. For all you know, they can be nerfed or buffed again. Buffed being highly unlikely.

I know that they are trying to make it so Astro can be a viable healer, but they are doing it by simply giving them the best of everything from the other 2 healing classes.

WHM has always been known for it's group healing ability and high potency heals.
SCH is known for it's mitigation.

Now they give Astro the best mitigation ontop of giving them the healing potencies of a WHM WHILE also maintaining Astro lowered natural MP cost of healing spells.

The only unique healing class is Astro now. If Astro can main heal and buff group dps, why would you bring a WHM? They can only heal. They can't debuff enemies or buff allies.

[DawnSolaria]

I don't really see it as an overreaction. They are more concerns.

The only unique healing class is Astro now. If Astro can main heal and buff group dps, why would you bring a WHM? They can only heal. They can't debuff enemies or buff allies.

Healer, as name implies, first and foremost job is to heal. if a white mage can provide enough healing for a group, that will allow the other healer to do more to support the group, be it cast support spells or dps.

[TraeSnow]

Healer, as name implies, first and foremost job is to heal. if a white mage can provide enough healing for a group, that will allow the other healer to do more to support the group, be it cast support spells or dps.

Yes, that is true, but if an Astro can main heal, due to their high potencies now, while keeping everyone alive and so can a WHM. Astro would be the better choice because they have a card system to buff allies, as well as their new mitigation bubble.

If the main healer can heal and cast support skills vs a healer who can only heal.
The choice is rather obvious.

[RichardButte]

Now they give Astro the best mitigation ontop of giving them the healing potencies of a WHM WHILE also maintaining Astro lowered natural MP cost of healing spells.

The only unique healing class is Astro now. If Astro can main heal and buff group dps, why would you bring a WHM? They can only heal. They can't debuff enemies or buff allies.

Probably because WHM have some of the best sustained healing+mana recovery tools while AST has hot garbage for mana recovery (and can go OoM quickly) and their buffs are RNG-based, meaning they could do nothing beneficial for and entire raid encounter.

[TraeSnow]

Probably because WHM have some of the best sustained healing+mana recovery tools while AST has hot garbage for mana recovery (and can go OoM quickly) and their buffs are RNG-based, meaning they could do nothing beneficial for and entire raid encounter.

Manarecovery? Astro has almost the same mana recovery as a WHM.
Astro has a skill that reduces aggro and restores MP.
WHM has a skill that reduces aggro and restores MP.

The only difference is that Assize restores 10% MP to WHM. Which is roughly 1.2k MP. Astro's decreased MP consumption on all of their spells more than makes up for that extra 1.2k.

Next excuse please.

[RichardButte]

Manarecovery? Astro has almost the same mana recovery as a WHM.
Astro has a skill that reduces aggro and restores MP.
WHM has a skill that reduces aggro and restores MP.

The only difference is that Assize restores 10% MP to WHM. Which is roughly 1.2k MP. Astro's decreased MP consumption on all of their spells more than makes up for that extra 1.2k.

Next excuse please.

/facepalm

1. AST's mana restoring ability does NOT reduce aggro. It reduces aggro generation while it's active. Any aggro you have at the time is not lessened. Also, Assize is AMAZING in so many ways. The only other mana recovery tool AST has it to hope to get an Ewer in their draw and hope they don't have a RRed card that they don't want to lose at that moment as well.

2. If you're not going to look at the full packages of both classes, don't even bother trying to discuss them. WHM has tools that AST simply does NOT, including a bubble that they don't need to channel, TWO instant healing abilities that restore huge amounts of HP (one is a FULL heal and the other is a 700 potency heal), an AoE that's a heal, nuke and 10% MP restoration all in one, Divine Seal which will increase ALL healing magic done by 30% INCLUDING HoTs (unlike Synastry which only increases spell-based healing), and has access to E4E and Virus. I'm sure there's even more but I'm just briefly listing some of the highlights that WHM has that AST doesn't.

Seriously, take a good hard look at the FULL toolkit of both classes and you'll see that AST doesn't have even half the toys WHM does, and all for card buffs that can possibly do literally nothing but give you the same worthless card 10+ times in a row, no matter how many damn times you shuffle the f**ker... (I hate the Spear so much...)

People need to stop making these complaints until they've actually played AST at 60. I've dual mained AST and SCH and, even with the buffs, SCH is still far more reliable when it comes to emergency healing, mana recovery, and DPS.

If what the devs said is true and they're not factoring healer DPS capability into the mix, then SCH will remain head and shoulders above AST, even in adding DPS to the encounter...