Nexus Light Grinding in 3.0

[Allyrion]

I think they have to make it a relatively easy step, or allow people who switched mains to still get the reward. I grinded my Zeta when it was relevant, but I mained Bard for all of 2.0. I switched mains to DRK for 3.0, but we can't do a relic for DRK. Am I going to get to skip this step if I fork over my Zeta bow? Can I use a Zeta bow to skip a DRK relic step? Or am I just screwed? Or does no one know this yet?

The consideration is because you took the time to grind the zeta on that particular Job.
The new Jobs don't have Zeta weapons, so there's no way they'll get that.
It's not like the second relic you grind is easier than the first. The system doesn't give relic compensation if you switch Jobs.

I mean, once you have a zeta you'll get to skip, but it will probably only be on the Job you have it for.

No one knows. Its possible having a zeta wont get any bonus. We'll just have to wait and see.

They said recently you'll get to skip a step. We don't know how much that is, but you'll get something.

[Rin_Kuroi]

They said recently you'll get to skip a step. We don't know how much that is, but you'll get something.

Ah cool. Must have missed it. I assume its in the live letter?

[Allyrion]

Ah cool. Must have missed it. I assume its in the live letter?

No, a Famitsu interview.

Are you still planning on having some kind of benefit to current holders of Zodiac Weapons Zeta?

Yoshida: There will be some kind of incentive granted to them when the new chapter begins. For example, the opening part will be divided into several phases, and you may be able to skip a stage.

Doesn't sound too significant.

hmm maybe if you just got the achievement, it will apply to all jobs, cause well...you get lv 60 relic, so i don't think you loose your zeta anyway?
and like you said, new jobs can't get zeta, so that would suck, if they can't benefit from it.
maybe it's like more from the quest/story, so the relevant NPCs can get to work on the wep, right away, instead of *getting them up to date*
but the step, is probably not a big deal anyway, so it probably won't matter much.

Maybe for the achievement it might make sense.
But they usually like tie things to lore and achievements are more meta.

I don't think it's a big deal if you switch to a new Job and you have to go into the relic quest fresh because you're playing a Job that doesn't have the same history the others do.
They already said the new relic won't be as grindy as the old one was.
Not sure I entirely believe them, but the way it sounds it's going to be a minor convenience.

[JayCommon]

The consideration is because you took the time to grind the zeta on that particular Job.
The new Jobs don't have Zeta weapons, so there's no way they'll get that.
It's not like the second relic you grind is easier than the first. The system doesn't give relic compensation if you switch Jobs.

I mean, once you have a zeta you'll get to skip, but it will probably only be on the Job you have it for.

So, you're saying that SE's stance is because I "switched jobs" then I suddenly didn't put the time in for my Yoichi Bow? I put the time in regardless of which job it was for. I don't think I should be able to trade my Bow in to make a BLM relic any quicker because BLM has it's own relic. I would probably grind a relic for DRK had they added one because all I do in this game right now is raid and cap tomes. It would give me something to do. SE didn't give me this option. So now I get to suffer because my favorite Job to play is one of the new ones??

Skipping a step isn't all that big of a deal for me, but for you to say it so non-chalantly as "there's no way they'll get that" seems a bit ridiculous since they literally gave the 3 new jobs no other options. Bard is unenjoyable for me with the 3.0 changes and I have no plans on ever playing the job again. I will gladly trade the Yoichi Bow that I spent hundreds of hours and millions of gil on to skip a step in the DRK 3.x relic chain.

I'll repeat this again: It's not like I didn't put in the time needed. I did. A lot of it. I'm cool with the bow not being used to skip a DRK step, but it doesn't seem fair for SE to not give the new jobs any options for veterans who did put that time in. The Yoichi Bow can rot in my inventory forever if it ends up needing too, I got my usage out of it when I had it and was happy with it when I used it. But the "consideration" as you put it, should "consider" the fact that I now play a job that doesn't give me the option to pursue a 2.0 relic. That wasn't my design decision, I don't see why I should be punished for it.

Unless they literally make the skippable step just like the first step in 2.0 relic. Going to a random location and finding a piece of junk weapon as a "base". If that's the only thing I would have skipped, then it's not too big of a deal. If the "skipped step" involves any sort of RNG, I'll be an unhappy camper to say the least.

[Allyrion]

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That's good and all, but it's really not like they would be punishing you.
It's not like you need to skip a part of the relic quest, it's designed to be done all the way.
And you'll have your bow for if you want to do BRD.

I'm in the exact same position as you, except with a different zeta.
But having the relic be tradeable to help skip for the relic of a different Job is probably not going to happen, nor should it.
It's only really applicable for the new Jobs, but that comes with the territory of going into a Job that doesn't have a relic history.

It would be nice if you can trade it in, don't get me wrong.
But I doubt they'll do that considering there's been no relic catch-up between Jobs before.
I also don't think it makes sense giving a bow as a base for a great sword, and what you did on your BRD shouldn't really mean you deserve something as a DRK.

Regardless, it's just doing the whole new relic quest.
I think we can all assume that the new relic quest won't take as long as making a zeta from scratch.
So the new Jobs didn't really need an option that would've taken longer than than what they're actually skipping.

[JayCommon]

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Ok, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then.

Yes, using a Bow to make a Greatsword makes no sense at all - agreed.
I don't feel like I deserve anything on my DRK. I already said, had they introduced a 2.0 relic for DRK I would have pursued it.

They didn't. Regardless of whether or not I "need" to skip anything, I did the pre-requisite work required to receive it. I finished a Zeta. You can't say "there's been no relic catch-up Jobs before" because this is the first expansion. Idc what FFXI did. New team, new game. If anything, the only evidence of anything we had was SE introducing Ninja near the end of 2.x cycle and extending the relic quest to them. They could have said no relic for Ninja but they didn't. Not making relics for the 3.x Jobs makes sense because why revert and make functionally "old" content when working on the expansion right? But now they have wandered into the area where they have to make a choice. You and I are not the only people in this predicament I'm sure. They either tell us that we don't get jack-shit because we switched Jobs, or they tell us we can do what I proposed because they literally left us with no other options. This would not be a problem for me at all if they had just given me a way to achieve the skip.

I don't see how you can't view this as a punishment? I did the exact requirements needed to skip a step. I switched to a Job that doesn't have a relic. My punishment of not being able to skip a step is solely caused by my choice of playing one of their highly touted new Jobs. Had I stayed Bard, I would be able to skip the step. Again, this is not about me "deserving" anything, it's about the fact that they left me with absolutely no way to "earn" the skip. Big difference. I'm willing to put the time in, SE wasn't willing to give it to me. Especially with a 3-4 month time period between 3.0 and 3.1. They could have done something.

But yeah, sorry OP I won't derail this thread any more. Maybe I will start a new one for discussion.

[Radacci]

The consideration is because you took the time to grind the zeta on that particular Job.
The new Jobs don't have Zeta weapons, so there's no way they'll get that.
It's not like the second relic you grind is easier than the first. The system doesn't give relic compensation if you switch Jobs.

I mean, once you have a zeta you'll get to skip, but it will probably only be on the Job you have it for.



They said recently you'll get to skip a step. We don't know how much that is, but you'll get something.

hmm maybe if you just got the achievement, it will apply to all jobs, cause well...you get lv 60 relic, so i don't think you loose your zeta anyway?
and like you said, new jobs can't get zeta, so that would suck, if they can't benefit from it.
maybe it's like more from the quest/story, so the relevant NPCs can get to work on the wep, right away, instead of *getting them up to date*
but the step, is probably not a big deal anyway, so it probably won't matter much.