Overreaction to Astrologian buff.

[DawnSolaria]

First of all I would like to start by saying no Astrologian is denying that 3.07 buffs are very powerful buffs.
That said, its evident that many Scholars and White Mages are now worried about the possibility of getting replaced. To this, I say "duh". What is the point of a third healer class if it cannot replace the other two?
Now to the topic of Obsolete/Irrelevance. While i cannot see the future, this is most likely not going to happen. Alexander Savages were cleared mostly by SCH/WHM, both of these classes have not been nerfed. A healer's first and foremost job is to heal, a group will not replace you just because you cannot provide a dps buff every so often. Both SCH and WHM are still very competent healer and provides more personal dps than Astrologian. Astrologians were NOT able to perform job healers were meant to do, hence the buff.
Baseline: WHM/SCH are not dead, ASTs are simply brought on par on the healing front with other two healers.

[Vlady]

Shrug. That is the way the cookie crumbles. Sorry to scholars and white mages. And in some ways the astro is superior to the scholar now. 160% shield strength with synastry going? Can you say goodbye scholar on preshielding when you can just synastry up some delicious aspected nocturnal helios. Alot of people jumped ship and are actually upset they cannot turn the white mage eso weapon and scholar book in for astro gear but just because astro's were left out of world firsts this time round we have many more ample attempts for savage 2 and 3.

[PetiteMalFleur]

I don't think the people complaining actually raid or realize the full potential of the other two healing jobs. I've been playing my astrologian all afternoon and the buffs are amazing. Do I feel they overpower white mage or scholar? They do not. They brought astrologian up to par to give them a viable spot in progression raiding.

[Taranok]

They brought astrologian up to par to give them a viable spot in progression raiding.

I'm not so certain the AST is up to par yet. It's nice that Arrow/Bole/Balance last long enough to be worthwhile now, and it's nice the AST has the best baseline healing throughput in the game, as well as for A.Benefic to be an actually good regen now, but the class still "feels" worse than my 58 WHM does. There's just a lot to be said about having reliable support when you need it.

Don't get me wrong, the patch did a lot to address quite a few problems of the class, but I'm not quite convinced it can replace the WHM in its role or the SCH in its role. Which, honestly, I'd rather the devs just quit pretending it should be either a WHM or a SCH and just made it its own thing with its own role.

Do note, I have not done any savage yet, so my opinion definitely is not made with perfect knowledge of the current fights.

[RyouAkizuki]

I ran a bunch of stuff this morning, and I didn't really feel like it was super powerful, but it felt like my skills were useful.

Cards lasted long enough, Collective Unconscious is something I found myself able to use and not feel stupid about using, Synastry is good for more than just healing two tanks at once, and I was able to see a 4.6k tick on hots on a warrior. Pfft.

[LathusWHM]

First of all I would like to start by saying no Astrologian is denying that 3.07 buffs are very powerful buffs.
That said, its evident that many Scholars and White Mages are now worried about the possibility of getting replaced. To this, I say "duh". What is the point of a third healer class if it cannot replace the other two?
Now to the topic of Obsolete/Irrelevance. While i cannot see the future, this is most likely not going to happen. Alexander Savages were cleared mostly by SCH/WHM, both of these classes have not been nerfed.
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Let me make this simple for you.

1:30 10% dos buff + heals that keep up with whm significantly changes the game when you nee higher eps to get less boss phases or burn phases easier.

So yea, whm specifically better watch out. Utility healers will always be superior to raw throughput healers with equal skill.

Sch isn\\\\'t going anywhere.

[Kumori_Kumo]

Oh man, Astrologian is just like so super better than me now. I wish I could mangle my patience with a poker minigame!
Now if you don't mind, I'm gonna be experimenting on spreading Warrior OT adlo shields to the entire freakin' party with a single skill. Later chumps.

[GideonHighmourn]

I don't think SCHs should be worried, even if AST's shield inch out VERY slightly ahead of SCH's, they lack the faerie and DPS output to match. However, I think AST will be better suited to WHM replacement in Diurnal, since they offer nearly identical outputs (with significantly better single-target healing through Synastry) but bring more utility and mitigation to the table.

Overall, I am happy that AST was buffed. It's a competitive option now for groups. Even if it remains exactly the same, I don't see any issues with it, as is. I am, however, still surprised that they buffed baseline potency on AST's healing toolkit.

[Cynfael]

, its evident that many Scholars and White Mages are now worried about the possibility of getting replaced.

The only thing evident today is how people on the forums are happy to complain even when they have no idea what is going on yet. "Many" Scholars and White Mages either don't care/didn't notice that AST was tweaked again or are pleased because they hope that the third option just became truly viable.

[BroodingFicus]

Let me make this simple for you.

1:30 10% dos buff + heals that keep up with whm significantly changes the game when you nee higher eps to get less boss phases or burn phases easier.

So yea, whm specifically better watch out. Utility healers will always be superior to raw throughput healers with equal skill.

Sch isn\\\\'t going anywhere.

Which one of you liked my place holder shouting XD. Come on guys.

But yes, this is sorta my first impression too.

They made a half WHM half SCH and then the cards, the AST own unique niche, did not make them competitive enough to be on par with the other two. At that point, unless they tweaked the card system a lot (what I wish they would have done), the only viable option was to buff the WHM or SCH attributes until they were on par. Clearly they chose WHM. As far as I can tell they are about on the nose with us as flat out healers which is unfortunate since that has been our niche until now and we have no buffs to offer to make ourselves stand out. Will it wipe out WHM? I don't think so. Do I like it? No. I've wanted an AST since they were announced. It is their buff/card system that drew me to them but I held off waiting for them to be 'fixed'. I didn't expect these fixes would come to base potency when there is so much potential elsewhere. It feels sorta like a lazy way to make them viable by essentially giving them WHM potency in heals.