No changes to ninja.

[MrCookTM]

My main is a tank is what the freak am talking about- I never have Argo issues.....ever. Not in savage, not in extreme, not in whatever. I love my ninja though but after reading the SE 3.07 update in buffing monk even more and other classes- I'm just shaking my head. Not sure if your point is to make ninja more supporting- in let tanks do more DPS and let DPS do less- makes perfect sense, and as a tank I love you!

Do you pull in dps stance? If you pull in tank stance, then yes, you won't have issues. In dps stance though, especially if you have a drg with battle litany up, it's not unlikely that some dps's fully buffed nuke will crit for several thousands and rip off hate. Shade walker prevents that, and on top of making it easy to pull in dps stance, it also let's you perform your dps rotation a bit more without threat issues instead of going into emnity combo early.

And yeah, basically that's exactly my point: nin's st dps isn't the highest, not going to argue. But besides the obvious raid wide dps increase trick attack brings, it's the little things that increases the nin's dps and raid dps. One example is the tank thing i just mentioned, another one is the increased movement speed. Everytime a melee disconnect's from a boss because of point blank aoe is a dps loss, nin can walk out later and reconnect earlier. No ramp up time after down phases is also important. It's all the little things that add up.

Monk on the other hand is straight forward: the max deeps a monk can bring on a dummy is the max deeps a monk can bring in a fight under perfect conditions, every downtime, forced dodge, etc. will hurt. Monk may contribute to healer dps slightly if you don't have a drk, but that's about it. The slight dps increase helps to mitigate all the things nin has and monk doesn't, and that's cool, I like it.

tldr, yes, tanks should love nin's. ^^

[Arkenne]

Not to mention those times in DF battles where the Tanks just screwed up the pull... shadewalker saves the day a lot there :/
Also, thanks to Shadewalker, NINs can do the pull while the Tank sits back in their position waiting comfortably for the boss to come at them :v

[Nepthys]

Well they could kinda get rid of the mudra lag problem by simply allowing mudras beign casted between skills... so we can prepare ninjutsu between other skills CD without wasitng time sitting and waving mudras (and waiting for server to record what we pressed >_>). TP issues too and SS in all gear doesnt help

shadowwalk is ok, smokebomb not needed

DwaD and Duality must be a joke from SE since lev.60 skill of nin that should be the best skill... does attack of potency 300 (3x100potency) and 90sec CD !!

SE should cancel out all previous nerfs like poison nerf, tp nerf since if we have to suffer from mudra lag then at least give nin some additional dmg from raiton as a compensation for all the time (dps) we wasted in the time of mudra lag waving.

If SE wont buff nin in next patch 3.08 with some fixes then im dropping the game since dragoon and monk got enough love from all those patches (3.00->3.07) and they dont see the problem of nin class.

[Alahra]

If SE wont buff nin in next patch 3.08 with some fixes then im dropping the game since dragoon and monk got enough love from all those patches (3.00->3.07) and they dont see the problem of nin class.

Outside of mudra lag (which is a complicated array of factors, not all of which is under SE's control--some people just don't have good connecitons and there's only so much SE can do to address that), NIN has essentially one other problem, which is TP consumption. This is a somewhat minor issue, as phase jumps in most current content mean NIN gets by okay with proper Invigorate management (and chances are, your support DPS is going to be doing TP restoration at some point during the fight for the other physical DPS anyway).

If you're so hung up on that when NIN is a strong enough class that it's the de facto second melee for high tier progression raiding, I don't know what to tell you.

[Allyrion]

Outside of mudra lag (which is a complicated array of factors, not all of which is under SE's control--some people just don't have good connecitons and there's only so much SE can do to address that), NIN has essentially one other problem, which is TP consumption. This is a somewhat minor issue, as phase jumps in most current content mean NIN gets by okay with proper Invigorate management (and chances are, your support DPS is going to be doing TP restoration at some point during the fight for the other physical DPS anyway).

If you're so hung up on that when NIN is a strong enough class that it's the de facto second melee for high tier progression raiding, I don't know what to tell you.

^ This.
I don't know why the NIN community likes to play the victim so much.
TP and mudra lag are the only issues. The latter is a pain, and annoying to play around.
But everything else NIN brings - Goad, Trick Attack and Shadewalker as well as Dancing Edge if there's no WAR and more dps if there is - makes them a superior pick to MNK.

If you count Trick Attack to the NIN's damage, NIN is very high up.
Shade walker allows tanks to dps more or put up their debuffs earlier and skipping their hate combo.
Goad is helpful for tanks as well.

NIN is very solid and basically top tier dps (counting Trick Attack).
NIN doesn't need more dps. It just needs some minor improvements for playability.

[Samano]

yeah i'm with you, just fix the TP issue and i'll be happy

[Lantia]

OMG! Is there really someone who give also a shit about mudra lag and see that the ninja is also fine with it? Thanks god!

Really.... I was getting depressed reading all the "do not play nin if you have..." posts here....

[AlwaysRIGHT]

Buff Nin plz we are over 100 dps behind raid and trick attack is 1.67 percent of 6000 dps or 100 dps but you can add our own so about 80 dps to the raid

[AlwaysRIGHT]

Can't add our own dps to trick attack..

[Viridiana]

Can't add our own dps to trick attack..

Ummm...Trick Attack boosts our DPS, too.