No changes to ninja.

[Alahra]

Love that you brought up enmity fixing- a skill ninja once needed before HW. I was excited when they release this but now to find out, it wasn't even needed. To me, this made it clear what the ninja role was,but confused with the adjustments. Just a waste- could of used another AOE or something than helping others with Argo management.

I've said it before but Shadewalker's fine. We definitely didn't need two enmity modifiers, though, as Shadewalker can achieve the same end result of getting something off the healer and back on the tank (and is fact easier to use since you can't always easily gauge when someone's going to climb above the tank on aggro, which you need to do for Smoke Screen to work).

[Ryaz]

If you do the simple math that 16% uptime on a 10% damage buff is only a 1.6% raid damage increase, you might be right.

You forget that its a 10% damage buff during the entire raid's opening burst (lined up with Battle Litany and everyone's openers), and lines up well with multiple burst cooldowns through out the entire fight (i.e. a BLM's second Raging Strikes/Convert burst at the 3 min mark). Its a much larger DPS increase than it looks like on paper.

Yep. And I believe it stacks with MCH's Hypercharge, which increases the effectiveness of both.

[KingXRay]

ninja used to be fine before HW coz the dps balance around mnk and drg. But after HW a nerf on nin and 3 buff into drg and mnk is just destroying nin dps. 60lv skills are pretty useless like dream within the dream only does 100% auto attack dmg 3 times only with 90sec cd which equal a AE and noncrit double attack with 90sec cd...aggro control skills are just never use them and they stand 120sec and 180sec cd... Ninja also suffer the mudra lag, 4sec cast time for suiton in that 4sec mnk and drg already had done 4k+ dmg to enemy due to they can continues casting skills and ability skills all time with short cds but nin ability are way too long cd over 60, 90 and 120sec which this doesnt balance out the dps and also that nin doesnt crits as much than mnk and drg as well...

[KingXRay]

I think they failed to understand ninja and pretty much should remove all the nerfs they had done to ninja back as it first time came out. They should also remove those stupid aggro skills. It's very unusual to see dagger class doesn't had crits passive or skills in MMOs (Kassatsu is crits skill but its only once every 120sec...still doesn't make up the balance of always crits on mnk and crits 4k dmg every 30sec drg!!!!!)

[Pluvia]

I think they failed to understand ninja and pretty much should remove all the nerfs they had done to ninja back as it first time came out. They should also remove those stupid aggro skills. It's very unusual to see dagger class doesn't had crits passive or skills in MMOs (Kassatsu is crits skill but its only once every 120sec...still doesn't make up the balance of always crits on mnk and crits 4k dmg every 30sec drg!!!!!)

Jesus we're not that bad off yes we have a few issues but horrible dps isn't one of them and all this doom and gloom coming out from monks getting buffed isn't even verifiable to know since you know this patch has been out for about an hour. WE can start worrying about our dps when somehow Mnk do more damage then trick attack and our own dps. we're in a situation where melee dps balance is kinda meh have to have Brd and Mch so have to have a drg plus their litany so we get into a situation where its Drg/Mnk or Drg/Nin Can't have any other melee setup hence why I wish they would of changed monks utility in HW.


To reply to your second post Shadewalker is great and works fine Smokescreen is imho stupid.

[Lantia]

I think they failed to understand ninja and pretty much should remove all the nerfs they had done to ninja back as it first time came out. They should also remove those stupid aggro skills. It's very unusual to see dagger class doesn't had crits passive or skills in MMOs (Kassatsu is crits skill but its only once every 120sec...still doesn't make up the balance of always crits on mnk and crits 4k dmg every 30sec drg!!!!!)

Wtf..... my ninja is criting more then enough even if I do not activate my crossskill for crit....

[Zezaa]

Just a matter of time before they add a cast bar to ninjutsu.

mudra lag...

[MrCookTM]

Love that you brought up enmity fixing- a skill ninja once needed before HW. I was excited when they release this but now to find out, it wasn't even needed. To me, this made it clear what the ninja role was,but confused with the adjustments. Just a waste- could of used another AOE or something than helping others with Argo management.

Once needed... Wtf are you talking about?? The emnity scaling of tank skills is only fucked up since 3.0/lvl60, up to a point where even SE admitted during the live letter that they will look into it and are likely to tweak the emnity modifiers on these skills in one of the upcoming patches. Shadewalker is great right now, it lets tanks pull in dps stance and not lose threat even during the whole raids opening burst, which is a considerable dps increase. Smoke screen is very situational though...

[Arow22]

Once needed... Wtf are you talking about?? The emnity scaling of tank skills is only fucked up since 3.0/lvl60, up to a point where even SE admitted during the live letter that they will look into it and are likely to tweak the emnity modifiers on these skills in one of the upcoming patches. Shadewalker is great right now, it lets tanks pull in dps stance and not lose threat even during the whole raids opening burst, which is a considerable dps increase. Smoke screen is very situational though...

My main is a tank is what the freak am talking about- I never have Argo issues.....ever. Not in savage, not in extreme, not in whatever. I love my ninja though but after reading the SE 3.07 update in buffing monk even more and other classes- I'm just shaking my head. Not sure if your point is to make ninja more supporting- in let tanks do more DPS and let DPS do less- makes perfect sense, and as a tank I love you!

[Dante_V]

Main prob with ninja is Mudra lag. Everything else is still on point and I'll bring a min over a monk all day honestly.