SCH, Eos or Selene?

[Tashim]

As a somewhat off-topic subject...

I have noticed, however, that in the transition from level 50 to level 60, Embrace has become a smaller and smaller portion of my healing. It used to heal for somewhere between the healing from adlo (300 potency) and physick (400 potency), but now at 60, with 190+ gear, an Embrace heal is about half of a physick heal.

I just wish that they'd be more honest with the tooltips. If it claims to be a 400 potency heal, then it should heal comparable to physick, even if its a little less, like it used to. In reality, its far weaker.

This isn't really a complaint, as I find SCH far stronger than the other healers, I just wish that the fairies weren't silently nerfed. I know that SE doesn't view it as a nerf, but rather how they've scaled differently, but I still find it deceptive and that bothers me. Maybe its just late, and I'm grumpy because I'm out of Oreo cookies.

[Cynfael]

As a somewhat off-topic subject...

I have noticed, however, that in the transition from level 50 to level 60, Embrace has become a smaller and smaller portion of my healing. It used to heal for somewhere between the healing from adlo (300 potency) and physick (400 potency), but now at 60, with 190+ gear, an Embrace heal is about half of a physick heal.

I just wish that they'd be more honest with the tooltips. If it claims to be a 400 potency heal, then it should heal comparable to physick, even if its a little less, like it used to. In reality, its far weaker.

This isn't really a complaint, as I find SCH far stronger than the other healers, I just wish that the fairies weren't silently nerfed. I know that SE doesn't view it as a nerf, but rather how they've scaled differently, but I still find it deceptive and that bothers me. Maybe its just late, and I'm grumpy because I'm out of Oreo cookies.

Embrace is 300 potency, but yes, it's known to be far weaker proportionately than it was at lvl 50 with then-max ilvl gear.

SE seems to be implying that this scaling method will allow the fairy to eventually "catch up" once more, but I'm really not sure how that would happen since it seems to me thus far that our direct heals are continuing to outpace fairy heals at roughly the same rate as ilvl rises. By now I would have expected some movement towards closing the gap, but still sitting at Embrace being roughly 50% of the healing value of Physick when it used to be closer to 80%.

So yeah, for now I'm in agreement that this was a not-so-stealth nerf. I have to admit that the result, while annoying for being a nerf, may have been a necessary trade-off for the powerful arsenal SCH acquires between 52 and 58 (Dissipation is a so-so DPS cooldown and a shitty healing one, so I'm not counting it). If Embrace were healing for 2400ish without CDs in the current state and average player ilvl of the game, SCH would be completely out of control.

[Tashim]

yeah, my bad. I meant 300. but, it acts like a 200 potency. I'd be happy with them leaving it as is, if they simply stated it as a 200 potency heal.

[Alahra]

Embrace is 300 potency, but yes, it's known to be far weaker proportionately than it was at lvl 50 with then-max ilvl gear.

This has me curious, and I wish the servers hadn't just gone down. Does anyone remember what it was like healing at say, i70 or i90? What was the ratio of an Embrace to a Physick back then? I'm not sure I have a full set of gear for either of those item levels, the best I could probably do would be i50ish (using the AF1).

[Ghishlain]

This has me curious, and I wish the servers hadn't just gone down. Does anyone remember what it was like healing at say, i70 or i90? What was the ratio of an Embrace to a Physick back then? I'm not sure I have a full set of gear for either of those item levels, the best I could probably do would be i50ish (using the AF1).

This doesn't directly answer your question, but here's a spreadsheet of the data points I collected comparing Embrace to Physick at various levels - with a few controlled changes in gearing just to see how it changed at specific levels. I compiled this when it wasn't clear at the time what exactly the fairy was doing and my thoughts behind it can be found on this thread I created, if you're interested in reading up on it.

[Alahra]

This doesn't directly answer your question, but here's a spreadsheet of the data points I collected comparing Embrace to Physick at various levels - with a few controlled changes in gearing just to see how it changed at specific levels. I compiled this when it wasn't clear at the time what exactly the fairy was doing and my thoughts behind it can be found on this thread I created, if you're interested in reading up on it.

Ah, right, I remember that thread. I hadn't been playing SCH seriously back then (I was intending to make AST my healer of choice). I'm horrible at interpreting data most of the time, so I didn't really think much of it. I'm curious as to what the fairy heals will be like in a year's time when we're probably around i290, too, but that's not something we can really test yet. (Even testing with i70/i90 gear would be tough, since I'd imagine most SCHs that care about fairy healing power are already 60, I suppose.)

[Ghishlain]

Ah, right, I remember that thread. I hadn't been playing SCH seriously back then (I was intending to make AST my healer of choice). I'm horrible at interpreting data most of the time, so I didn't really think much of it. I'm curious as to what the fairy heals will be like in a year's time when we're probably around i290, too, but that's not something we can really test yet. (Even testing with i70/i90 gear would be tough, since I'd imagine most SCHs that care about fairy healing power are already 60, I suppose.)

I have a data point in there from a friend who was a 50 Au Ra Xeala SCH at the time - ilvl 126 using a Book of Diamonds (630 MND, 291 DET, 75 MD) who's Physick averaged about 1376.5 and Embrace was about 915 (this was a low sample size, so take with a grain of salt). The Embrace was about 66.5% as powerful as Physick, putting the Embrace at a potency of about 266 Potency. You can use this as a reference point for (much) later when the gear scores begin to catch up to that point a few months down the line.

Just to compare, my current Adlo's are about 2100 while my Embraces are about 1400 - this puts Embrace at around 200 Potency. I've also noticed that the fairy seems to be affected more heavily by MND than MD and the gulf gets slightly smaller with more MND is MD doesn't go up (you can check this by seeing how your Adlos versus Embraces compare with a naked SCH versus a fully geared SCH while maintaining the same weapon). This makes me believe they didn't change the potency value directly because of how the fairy's stats are weighed compared to the SCH - though that's still pretty darn convoluted. *Shrugs*

[Cynfael]

I have a data point in there from a friend who was a 50 Au Ra Xeala SCH at the time - ilvl 126 using a Book of Diamonds (630 MND, 291 DET, 75 MD) who's Physick averaged about 1376.5 and Embrace was about 915 (this was a low sample size, so take with a grain of salt). The Embrace was about 66.5% as powerful as Physick, putting the Embrace at a potency of about 266 Potency. You can use this as a reference point for (much) later when the gear scores begin to catch up to that point a few months down the line.

Maybe it's the ilvl/WD difference (or my possibly faulty memory), but 915 sounds low to me. I seem to remember Embrace being ~1000 when I was lvl 50 and i130 with Zeta.

[Tashim]

I've found that at L60, the iLvl doesn't make that much of an impact on Embrace, as the player scales better than the fairy does anyway.
From Level 50 to Level 60, Embrace has steadily moved from a 260ish potency heal, to a 200ish potency heal, regardless of iLvl.

[AylmerOfFamfrit]

I think selene's aoe speed buff needs to be increased to 5% and 5% acc boost the reason for the acc boost is to help will the lack of acc on some gear. But this might be OP.