Removal of Surnames

[Rhianu]

That's why the first thing they teach you when devising a survey in a statistics class is not to put in any optional questions

This thing is so minor and inconsequential that there's no doubt on the nature of an effort to question it.

Surnames aren't going anywhere.

When players create a new character, they're not taking a ****ing survey. The same rules don't always apply. Options might be bad on surveys, but they're not bad in video games.

All video games have multiple options. Go open up the configuration menu in any game and you'll see there are a wide variety of choices that a player can make to customize their experience. Providing players with choices is never a bad thing.

[Abriael]

Providing players with choices is never a bad thing.

This is as false as it could be, as any blanket statement. Should they provide me with the option of using numbers in my name? because you know, that's an OPTION!

Basic areas need basic rules.
-Remembering everyone by name and surname -> rather easy. You do that in real life every day.
-Having to remember surnames AND remember who has a surname and who doesn't -> harder, more confusion, as the presence of many people without surnames would encourage people to remember only names even for the ones that have surnames.

Funny how someone flaunting an absolutely out-of-place signature from another game seems so intent on nitpicking on absolutely negligible details here.

[Rhianu]

This is as false as it could be, as any blanket statement. Should they provide me with the option of using numbers in my name? because you know, that's an OPTION!

Whether or not special characters should be permitted is completely different issue and not even remotely related to the discussion at hand. Some might argue that special characters are distracting from the fantasy setting, which is a perfectly valid stance.

There is absolutely nothing distracting about the absence of surnames. Allowing players the choice would not have the same impact as allowing special characters. Not even close.

Basic areas need basic rules.
-Remembering everyone by name and surname -> rather easy. You do that in real life every day.
-Having to remember surnames AND remember who has a surname and who doesn't -> harder, more confusion, as the presence of many people without surnames would encourage people to remember only names even for the ones that have surnames.

Actually, it is neither easier nor harder to remember two names than it is to remember one. It wouldn't be that difficult to remember that Billy Bobcat and Johnny are two different people, despite the fact that only one of them has a surname.

[Abriael]

It's funny how you're defending the systems in a game that won Worst Game of 2010 and has a 49/100 meta score. The small minority of people who gobble up whatever SE puts on their plate do not have valid opinions on what makes a system good or not.

Thanks for identifying yourself even more as a troll. It wasn't really needed though. Like metascore and silly awards given by website mean anything (especially since they're based on the state of the game 6 months ago).

I find it more funny how people that obviously hate the game and will never like it waste part of their life to troll the forums instead of finally moving on with their lifes.

Whether or not special characters should be permitted is completely different issue and not even remotely related to the discussion at hand. Some might argue that special characters are distracting from the fantasy setting, which is a perfectly valid stance.

There is absolutely nothing distracting about the absence of surnames. Allowing players the choice would not have the same impact as allowing special characters. Not even close.

They are both options. You said that options are always good. I simply demonstrated how you pulled out a completely illogical blanket statement.

Actually, it is neither easier nor harder to remember two names than it is to remember one. It wouldn't be that difficult to remember that Billy Bobcat and Johnny are two different people, despite the fact that only one of them has a surname.

Not really. When you allow a large number of Option 1, which is simpler than Option 2, but still part of Option 2, people will be naturally encouraged to remember only the Option 1 part of Option 2.

But anyway, ill let this thread sink. The vast majority of posters is obviously in favor of surnames, trolls have been exposed, surnames won't go away and everyone knows it.
Ultimately it's so minor that it's not even worth discussing.

[Rhianu]

Thanks for identifying yourself even more as a troll. It wasn't really needed though. Like metascore and silly awards given by website mean anything (especially since they're based on the state of the game 6 months ago).

I'm pretty sure that game scores and awards mean a lot, since they can and do have a direct impact on sales numbers. And honestly, the game really hasn't changed all that much since launch. Sure, the lag is pretty much gone, and most of the problems with the UI have been ironed out, but it's still pretty much the same game. Even after all the updates, I'd say that on a scale of 1 to 10, FFXIV only deserves maybe 1 or 2 more points today than it received from critics at launch.

They are both options. You said that options are always good. I simply demonstrated how you pulled out a completely illogical blanket statement.

The difference is that one of the options can be distracting from the fantasy setting of the game, while the other cannot. Therefore, it is illogical to say that they are equivalent.

Not really. When you allow a large number of Option 1, which is simpler than Option 2, but still part of Option 2, people will be naturally encouraged to remember only the Option 1 part of Option 2.

Uh... no. People won't have any problem remembering different names, even if some people have surnames and some don't. It will not make anything more difficult in the slightest, I assure you.

[Abriael]

I'm pretty sure that game scores and awards mean a lot, since they can and do have a direct impact on sales numbers. And honestly, the game really hasn't changed all that much since launch. Sure, the lag is pretty much gone, and most of the problems with the UI have been ironed out, but it's still pretty much the same game. Even after all the updates, I'd say that on a scale of 1 to 10, FFXIV only deserves maybe 1 or 2 more points today than it received from critics at launch.

LOL. You're playing that bland, generic piece of crap called rift a tad too much, since you don't seem to know the current state of the game at all. FFXIV has shown, in the first 5 months, the highest rate of improvement of the MMORPG history.
Review scores mean nothing, as they're written by goons that didn't even play the game for more than a few hours (and a MMORPG cannot be judged in that small of a timeframe), as demonstrated by their under-rank-10 characters on the lodestone, that makes everyone that knows even a little bit about journalistic integrity roll on the floor laughing.

The difference is that one of the options can be distracting from the fantasy setting of the game, while the other cannot. Therefore, it is illogical to say that they are equivalent.

So now you're backpedaling? Where has the "options are always good!" gone?

Uh... no. People won't have any problem remembering different names, even if some people have surnames and some don't. It will not make anything more difficult in the slightest, I assure you.

You can deny basic psychology as much as you want. And assure people that you're right as much as you want. AFter all on forums i see people denying even basic physics, so i'm not that surprised

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgtZvn5c4e4

That isn't even related to FFXIV, in fact the engine is completely different. So "anxiously" wait a game over a completely unrelated tech demo of an unnamed game?
Doesn't work like that. They announced FFXIV at E3 2009, and that's exactly how much we have to wait. If you wanted to be "anxious" over something entirely unrelated, that's your choice, not SE's fault.

[Rhianu]

you don't seem to know the current state of the game at all.

I know the current state of the game perfectly. I'm just not delusional enough to believe that the changes made so far have been that drastic. Most of them are actually rather minor changes.

The changes have helped the game, sure, but they haven't completely transformed it.

FFXIV has shown, in the first 5 months, the highest rate of improvement of the MMORPG history.

I highly doubt you've played every MMORPG ever made for the first 5 months.

Review scores mean nothing, as they're written by goons that didn't even play the game for more than a few hours (and a MMORPG cannot be judged in that small of a timeframe), as demonstrated by their under-rank-10 characters on the lodestone, that makes everyone that knows even a little bit about journalistic integrity roll on the floor laughing.

[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Guidelines.] Review scores are HUGE for any video game. They have an enormous impact on sales numbers, which are critical to the continual success of the title. Also, any game, even an MMO, can be judged in an hour's playtime or less.

So now you're backpedaling? Where has the "options are always good!" gone?

You're twisting my words. I never said ALL options are always good. Sometimes certain options might not fit within the context of the game. That does not contradict what I said earlier.

You can deny basic psychology as much as you want. And assure people that you're right as much as you want. After all on forums i see people denying even basic physics, so i'm not that surprised

Funny, I don't seem to have any trouble remembering all the different names of the people on my Xbox Live friends list, despite the fact that some people on there have two part names, and some don't. Heck, even on this forum some people are using single names while others are using compound names, yet it doesn't seem to be causing any trouble for anyone. I don't see why you think it would be any different in-game.

[Reika]

There is a cute Lalafel named Prinny Hero..... i think that name ROX!