PLD Requires more Skills

[Tadus]

Do not get me wrong, i am very grateful SE added GB and RA but besides that, there is nothing much to do. Cds here, sheltron there and done. War and Drk are very fun classes because they have a VAST amount of CDs to press. While PLD is short,simple and sweet, it also becomes boring after doing the same skills all over again. My idea? To add some sort of Fun thing for PLD. Drk has watching MP, War has maximize DPS and both have lots of CDs (again). Overall, PLD is nice but currently the most boring of the three.

(Maybe PLD to have stacks of light, increasing his SS and dps for a short time.) Adding changes that would make PLD a 'WOW' class like War and Drk. There are multiple forums talking about this and that is because it is true. Many people who are PLDs also have bery good points, and many of our skills just sit there doing nothing. With the combine ideas of players and SE's changes, PLD can join War and Drk in the fun zone.

[Ercapote]

I think I spend my entire day on this specific subject and was about to open up a thread about it.

sadly paladins are Boring, I know that statement is personal and up to anyone whether it's true or not is up to every individual, but after playing with the 3 tanks having a lvl 60 PLD,DRK and almost done WAR PLD is the least enjoyable of the 3.

WAR well...war is just perfect at this moment being one of the most and the current BEST tank of the 3 with all it's utility, staking mechanics and Stance dance is one of the most active and fun of the 3 not talking about the amount of DPS/FUN it does.

DRK has an amazing MP manipulation and management to handle and improve your tanking/defense and dps and a very sexy way and on top of that has a lot of oGCD makes the class very enjoyable AND AOE GALORE

PLD well... now they have 1,2,3...1,2,4 awesome

I feel that pld has no love in this game not only has the most simplistic and boring abilities but also lacks a lot of usefulness since other tanks do what PLD does an better and they deal a more larger amount of damage. PLD kit is lacks synergy, lacks interest in any way you can approach it not to talk that most of PLD abilities are useless and some are situational to some extremes that you wonder why do you have it on the hotbar.

I'll repost something interest that one of our friend said on another threat : @Drakkaelus

The main thing that bothers me about the Paladin is how much dead weight is loaded onto it's skills.

Tempered Will? Useless
Cover? Useless
Pacification? Useless in any situation where it'd actually be useful.
Blind? Useless against anything that matters
Shield Bash? Rarely worth the TP
Clemency? Not useless, but hard to get any real use out of. I might be alone in this but if they're going to stick with a 3 second cast time, I'd really prefer it if this spell was a HoT. At least then it could support what your healers are doing, instead of it being an either/or situation that you usually lose.

No, I don't care if that one spell had that one use in that one phase of that one boss in that one dungeon. PLDs have entirely too much crap that just sits unused 99% of the time and too much other crap that ceases to function as soon as magic starts flying. It's not a surprise to see so many PLDs focusing more and more on DPS when a lot of their supposed "utility" doesn't even function against anything but trash mobs (if that).

Which has all the true in the world, so not only is a boring class over all but also half of it's abilities are "situational" like we already discuss in another threat.
and the list increase when you go to a boss with magic attacks then we have another 2 or 3 abilities more that go to the trash and also add that has the lowest enmity generation of the 3 making the class even more painful against overgeared DPS pushing astronomic numbers...DRG

I've been a pally since 2.x and this is something always ha been a thing, but whit the implementation of the new tank seen what they could have pull off and all the flame that has been going on lately with ALEXANDER and PLD dps and usefulness makes me wonder what's SE thinking when making this class. Is like they though about the how to make the worst class and concentrate this though into one class. PLD

I think PLD should have a little more aoe love, some interesting mechanics, or atleast take the stance out of GCD as well as shield swipe, there's no reason for then to be part of the GCD and please make all those useless abilities USEFUL. blind and pacification are barely noticeable or helpful in any context. and cover is an ability that only gets dust on my hotbar since I've only use it on t13 4 month ago, idk but I have yet to find a class that has such amount of meaningless abilities that just sit there without use.

BTW this is personal opinion and experience.

[Tadus]

Yea, i have been a a PLD since 2.0 also, so i know that feeling. I am sure SE will make the necessary changes to PLD, and add him some things that will make him fun. I had the ideas of having PLD obtain stacks, or maybe have his skills like shield swipe activate one of the last three GB,RA,RoH. Also, Drk has the skill reprisal, which lowers the strengh of a target, why not add one to PLD but instead of decreasing phy, it decreases mag. Pld should also have more active skills oGCD (30 secs or so), something like the shockwave (the sultan's Brand) when he was facing solkzagyl the loyal (The last PLD job quest). The shockwave looked like a AoE, and cince PLD only has CoS, the shockwave would be very good for him. If PLD could get at least 4 more skills, and maybe just maybe a stacking buff of some sort, that would make him the best like War n Drk

[Risvertasashi]

I... would be careful with this one. My PLD hotbars are pretty crowded as is.

[Tadus]

I... would be careful with this one. My PLD hotbars are pretty crowded as is.

true true lol but there are many skill we can take off like bloodbath and stoneskin, shield bash (doesnt stun many bosses or adds like in savage) Shield swipe and some others depending on the dungeon because you will not be using every skill in one dungeon. Having all Cds in the hot bar is over crowding though, that is true.

[Risvertasashi]

true true lol but there are many skill we can take off like bloodbath and stoneskin, shield bash (doesnt stun many bosses or adds like in savage) Shield swipe and some others depending on the dungeon because you will not be using every skill in one dungeon.

Yes, I don't really disagree with the principle of making some skills play into others better, making them more relevant and suchlike.

[Phoebus]

As a PLD that tried to make it work, but wound up switching to DRK, this is really the core of what the PLD grievances are since 3.0 released. The other two tanks are fun and PLD isn't. We play the game to have fun. Doesn't get much more simpler than that.

[karateorangutang]

That's why i'd like to see a change in the dynamics of stances for PLD. Not to make it more complicated but to make the class more streamlined.

I said this in another thread but I really think that SwO should be a passive that is active all the time. ShO would then be an active "stance" that cancels the effect of the passive and does the exact same thing that it does now. It would allow you to swap back to SwO by cancelling a stance, thus not losing the GCD or dropping a combo, but would require the same things that it requires now to actually activate shield oath.

Tempered will could also then be made stance dependent easily enough as we would always be in one or the other. Have it have the same effect when in ShO but do a regain effect in SwO.

Cover just needs to be able to soak up magic damage and it would be a great OT support ability that would be able to bypass certain stack mechanics if operated correctly.

RoH should apply a 5% slashing debuff ( along with the other two tanks and ninja being able to apply 5%) that is stack-able up to 10% on any one mob. This way you could apply it to multiple mobs in a group or raise it to 10% on a mob. Also, increase enmity multipliers to be the same as the other two tanks ( not sure why this hasn't happened.)

Switch the STR down debuff to RA to cement it into a rotation.

Give shield swipe a chance to proc a fast cast on clemency so its useful for main tanking. It would still have the same cast if off tanking leaving it as a solid support ability.

That would be some of the major changes i'd love to see to PLD.

[Tadus]

As a PLD that tried to make it work, but wound up switching to DRK, this is really the core of what the PLD grievances are since 3.0 released. The other two tanks are fun and PLD isn't. We play the game to have fun. Doesn't get much more simpler than that.

Funny you say i switch, all i said was that Drk has this skill. I like PLD and my main is PLD but all i want are new skills and since there are way to changing it we may as well tell SE what we want. Its like choosing what you want no your ice cream or how you want your new car. While we do play for fun it does not mean you have to conform.

[Phoebus]

Funny you say i switch, all i said was that Drk has this skill. I like PLD and my main is PLD but all i want are new skills and since there are way to changing it we may as well tell SE what we want. Its like choosing what you want no your ice cream or how you want your new car. While we do play for fun it does not mean you have to conform.

I was referring to myself.