Adding Legacy Tattoo to Mog Station

[SakuraMidori]

3.1 can't come soon enough!

Agreed lol

[Bloody]

If you add the Legacy Tattoo to the cash shop, it isn't exactly a Legacy anymore. /logic

But honestly, I would love a whole lot more tattoo variations, especially non-facial ones (wouldn't mind body scars and stuff either).

[JouriStarz]

People need to stop associating the tattoo with the legacy campaign because it wasn't a part of it and neither was the goobue mount. Only the Chocobo, name in the credits and discounted monthly fee were.

Another thing that people don't seem to realize about the tattoo is what it actually represents. Watch the ARR opening movie again, the part where Louisouix(sp?) sends the other characters away. Those characters represent the players and they don't reappear until the 2.0 story starts five years later. They were in some celestial stasis or whatever and that is how they became marked with the tattoo. It's for that reason that I don't agree that it should be available to any character created after the fact. Even for characters on 1.0 and legacy accounts. The tattoo actually means something and giving it out now would diminish that.

As for the people saying they "suffered" through 1.0, grow up. It was not a perfect game by any means and had lots of flaws I'm not denying that, but saying you suffered and that's why you're entitled to special crap is stupid.

There's many of us that actually enjoyed the game for what it was and the people who didn't simply left. Not once did anyone complain in the game that they were suffering as they played it, we made it fun and had a good time doing it.

That doesn't mean that any 1.0 exclusive bonuses should ever be able to be obtained again just because someone missed out. I don't care what the reason was that you weren't playing during the time to be able to get the stuff like everyone else who did.

[Eul]

If you add the Legacy Tattoo to the cash shop, it isn't exactly a Legacy anymore. /logic

And all NA people gonna transfer to Balmung. lol.

[Preypacer]

People need to stop associating the tattoo with the legacy campaign because it wasn't a part of it and neither was the goobue mount. Only the Chocobo, name in the credits and discounted monthly fee were.

Yep. I think even I've referred to it as the Legacy Mark, and I should stop that, too, because I know it's going to confuse people. I'd describe it as the Calamity Mark, or Brand. The problem is, there's 2 different types of "Legacy" going on, and the two are (understandably) being conflated.

Legacy Character = Character who was around from 1.0 and, having met the right conditions - primarily having been created and actively played during 1.0, then carried over to 2.0 - will have the brand we're discussing.
Legacy Account = Account of a person who payed for 90 non-consecutive days during a limited time near the end of 1.x's service time. These people received the chocobo, name in credits, discounted sub rates, etc.

The Goobue isn't really directly tied to either, it's a separate item that had been made available a while before the end of 1.x, during a completely different event. It is a 1.0 exclusive mount, though (that particular style, with the rug on top).

Another thing that people don't seem to realize about the tattoo is what it actually represents. Watch the ARR opening movie again, the part where Louisouix(sp?) sends the other characters away. Those characters represent the players and they don't reappear until the 2.0 story starts five years later. They were in some celestial stasis or whatever and that is how they became marked with the tattoo. It's for that reason that I don't agree that it should be available to any character created after the fact. Even for characters on 1.0 and legacy accounts. The tattoo actually means something and giving it out now would diminish that.

Yep. I went through this as well a couple pages back. There's significance in the lore regarding the mark, and it has meaning directly tied into it. It's not just some kind of "Hey, you played 1.0, here have a neat tattoo". I'd described it as our characters being branded, by Hydaelyn when we were sent away from the destruction at Carteneau.

In the meta sense, it's also a way that players can, yes, show that they were there for 1.0, and played through it. It's a kind of 'badge' in that way.

In either case, for SE to turn around and say "Oh, okay, you all can have it now", would be to undermine and ignore a lot of already established lore, and it would be going back on their reasons for giving them in the first place. It would be a lie for a 2.0 character to be wearing it, as they weren't there and didn't go through everything it represents - fighting back the Garleans, trying to stop Nael Van Darnus, trying to stop Dalamud's descent. It would render the mark meaningless.

There's a lot of things I could see them changing their stance on, but giving everyone the Mark just isn't one of them. It's not just a random, aesthetic thing "for show".

As for the people saying they "suffered" through 1.0, grow up. It was not a perfect game by any means and had lots of flaws I'm not denying that, but saying you suffered and that's why you're entitled to special crap is stupid.

Yeah, the hyperbole is ridiculous. No one "suffered" through 1.0. People played it because they wanted to play it. Did they deal with its myriad issues. Sure. As did everyone. But to say they "suffered through it"? Come on. No they didn't.

There's many of us that actually enjoyed the game for what it was and the people who didn't simply left. Not once did anyone complain in the game that they were suffering as they played it, we made it fun and had a good time doing it.

Yep. And starting with 1.18, to me, the game started to take a notable turn for the better. I'd say it was legitimately a fun game, and a good foundation to build from by 1.23. Yoshi-P and his team did a great job of making that sinking hulk float... at least mostly.

That doesn't mean that any 1.0 exclusive bonuses should ever be able to be obtained again just because someone missed out. I don't care what the reason was that you weren't playing during the time to be able to get the stuff like everyone else who did.

Yeah, it really is a matter of "time and place". Again, it isn't just a matter of "well, I wasn't playing because I couldn't, not because I didn't want to, so I should have the option of getting it anyway". It's a matter of the Mark, tattoo, whatever-you-want-to-call-it, being directly tied to events that our characters went through. It would make absolutely no sense for a character who didn't arrive in Eorzea 'til 5+ years later to have it, because they have no connection at all with the event(s) it's derived from.

Again, for a 2.0 character to be walking around wearing that mark would be a lie. It'd be like buying a t-shirt from a concert off eBay 5 years later, and telling everyone else you were actually there.

As I said in my last post. I'm all for tattoos being introduced. I think they should be available from the Aesthetician, and acquired via different content etc, from merchants, etc... similarly to how Minions are now. Just come up with new designs, other than the Calamity Brand/Mark/Tattoo. Have tattoos based on Primals, on major characters... themes, classes/jobs.. Go crazy. I think that'd be cool.

[Titor]

For me the reason I want it is due to the lore difference. While I the meta player did not know of or play 1.0, my character did exist in hydaelyn at the time (He would have to have, to be the age he is). I would like to play a character that had been at the past events, I like those events for immersion and the story, plus I roleplay a character from that time period. I wish that we could choose where we wanted our characters to be for immersive purposes. It is not really good to limit an entire storyline and character experience to simply those who knew about and had the funds to play 1.0.

Also noting that there are characters in 1.0 that /did/ do the 1.0 questline and whatnot but did not receive the tattoo due to not logging in at the proper time, or there is a level 1 character who did nothing more in the world than be created that has the mark.


Really it is a event item with a cool storyline, but if we look at it from a solidified lore perspective, the cases I stated above would contradict it. I would very much like to play my character as having experienced 1.0 events, even if I the player did not have the opportunity to be there.

[Gilraen]

It is not really good to limit an entire storyline and character experience to simply those who knew about and had the funds to play 1.0.

You do realize you have to have the funds to even play this game, nothing about this game is free. Not even the means to play it in the first place. And it's been the whole point of of the counter arguments against adding this particular tattoo to the Mog Station, those who have it knew about it. They cared enough to keep up with the game, even when it was flagging and being demolished by popular media. Why should anyone get anything from then when they only cared after the game recovered from the rough times to enjoy renewed popularity? That's called being a 'fair weather friend', and noone likes those types.

[Titor]

You do realize you have to have the funds to even play this game.

You do realize that people's financial situations change over time? Unfortunately, real life means that you have to prioritize things like medical bills, and food. Or, you know, you die. Unfortunately these things cost a lot and very often leave people without being able to buy or fund the things they support.

As for myself, I did not know about FFXIV 1.0, or that SE even made MMOs. I was not made aware to such things due to situations out of my control.

I am aware of the game now and have the funds to support it. FFXIV still gets some crap from various game articles, and could still very much use support to do things like upgrade servers to allow more housing, more retainers, bigger inventory, etc. I can and am supporting the game quite generously financially right now.

It is quite rude to assume that everyone who did not play 1.0 during the select times required to get the carteneau tattoo (Which does not even meant that one financially supported the game, just that they logged on one time during the campaign) did not want SE and the game to succeed.

I am quite sure that those who really wanted the game and SE to fail, and were hoping for it to happen, are probably not playing the game today, much less be willing to spend money on a cash shop novelty item.

[Gilraen]

So you missed it. That happens. I've wanted to attend a fan fest since XI but my financial situation hasn't exactly been accommodating in that regard, causing me to miss out on a large number of exclusive things both real and digital. But you don't see me arguing for Square to make those things available to me just because I'm supporting them with my subscription. I missed out, oh well. Maybe next time. This is the point. You missed out, oh well. Maybe next time. Do we not want tattoos in general, not hardly! We've been asking for more, and more importantly not attire-based, tattoos for a while now. But this particular tattoo is like every other thing that's been exclusive in the history of Square's MMOs, an exclusive. You missed it. Oh well. Maybe next time.

[Titor]

There is nothing at the fantest that was fanfest exclusive. The ingame codes were available for the masses to buy on twitch, and will likely be available again in the future. The various plushies and books are sold on the SE store, and I am quite sure if you really wanted the fluff items in the fanfest goodiebags you would be able to purchase them on one of many websites.

The only things exclusive in this game are the 1.0 items and preorder bonuses, and for all I care about they both should be made available, exclusivity causes nothing but a community schism and elitism

I have the fanfest in-game item. I could careless if you have it or not. It will not diminish my gameplay at all since you are not taking mine away from me, and if it brings you happiness to have it then by all means, this is a game meant to be enjoyed, not a better-than-thou contest. Do I think I am a bigger supporter of SE since I was able to buy the fanfest stream? No. I do not know your situation at the time, and I know that if you want it now, you probably did care and wanted to support it, but could not. Why should I punish you for RL not being facilitating?