Did Yoshi P messed up the relics Im trying to understand the meaning of this help me!

[MageBlack]

Sounds like there was some info that I missed out on. Can anyone post a link to how the devs described the new relic quests and how the old one will interact with it? I think I'm missing some of these details that people keep mentioning.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

To everyone who is intentionally thinking I want a new FFXI its not what i want im getting extremly tired of the same corny replies. Either you read all replies or just don't reply with half information. I want something in this game one lousy thing to just be enjoayble and rewardable grind wise. You guys have everything else just leave one damn piece of the cake for everyone else who wants to enjoy a grind. I can't beleive it sometimes. Let the relic be enjoyable you want it grind for it no handouts no bs no nerf get lights and dungeon drops like everyone else.

[Dyvid]

Honestly I just don't get it. I got my Zeta book, used it well into Heavensward and have it to glamour on all my future weapons so after two years i'm still getting a use out of my Relic. Plus we have a new grind right around.

[Velhart]

To everyone who is intentionally thinking I want a new FFXI its not what i want im getting extremly tired of the same corny replies. Either you read all replies or just don't reply with half information. I want something in this game one lousy thing to just be enjoayble and rewardable grind wise. You guys have everything else just leave one damn piece of the cake for everyone else who wants to enjoy a grind. I can't beleive it sometimes. Let the relic be enjoyable you want it grind for it no handouts no bs no nerf get lights and dungeon drops like everyone else.

Your other topics say otherwise.

Basically: "I am not saying I want FFXI, but I want FFXI."

Speaking of which, I should try the new FFXI expansion in my free time, looks fun.

[Ashkendor]

Anyway I agree with some points made here, the relic is extremely underwhelming in this game. In 2.0, it was just used as something to help newbs and attempt to keep old content relevant. Relic in the Final Fantasy lore, was never something that held so little merit. I'd like to think we can all agree on that^^;

The relics had lore written into them, have some very nice designs, and they were BiS at several points in 2.x.

If you find that underwhelming or of little merit, I'm not sure what to tell you.

So no, I don't agree with you at all.

The heart of the game died out a while back and its all about business and making as much money as possible short time and thats why we are stuck with this FF in a WoW Clone. Nothing will change that until the customers in this disloyal group they are trying to cater too moves on to the next MMORPG.

What you need to realize is that the market itself has shifted and changed with time. The generation of gamers that started out willing to do years long grinds for in-game items generally no longer has the time for that kind of commitment. Most of them have real life obligations of one sort or another to deal with. The newer generation of gamers is more of an instant-gratification crowd. So, with the majority of the grinders having no time to grind and the gimmie-now crowd never having wanted a grind in the first place, you have an atmosphere where a grind for what is now ultimately a glamour item just doesn't fit into the game that the devs want to present to us.

If there's one thing that sets FFXIV apart from FFXI it's the fact that it's very casual-friendly, which is something that's needed to survive in today's MMO market. People seem to like to villify the fact that SE is concerned with their bottom line, but they can't just put this game out here for us and expect nothing back in return. This game is a business venture. If it didn't make money, they wouldn't have kept it up and we wouldn't be here.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Ashkendor again: If everything is already casual friendly why not let the 1.0 players with the double subscriptions and most FFXI players (we all know FFXI funded this game during its darkest hours) have one lousy thing its just one thing. Don't touch the relics let them be. Let the new generation understand who the old farts used to play. Its really not that hard. You want something else? Learn the ex primals alexander or any other shenanigans that will give you a weapon with most likely the exact same ilvl. Why be greedy and want exactly everything as if what you so called casual have infront of them right now already isnt enough. I really thought the relics would continue and level up instead It was a huge let down and Yoshi P disrespected exactly everyone by nerfing it along the path.
You burn your brains out doing 1000 garudas before nerf. Or how about doing Stone vigil 44 times for a drop or spending 8+ million gil on getting the materias to hit. Where in anyones mind do they think they should get a handout for this or some retarded royalty treatment that just because they pay for a subscription they should get it for half the effort?
You want the relic do it like everyone else. These handouts are a messed up joke and a disrespect to me and many others who feel this way. These should have been untouched but this is what we get when a game dev comes directly from a WoW and DAoC envoirment. If you think about it its one lousy thing. You don't see me complaining about why there is no dynamis in this thread or why no other gears is upgradable. Ive accepted everything but I don't tolerate this.

The relic is the one thats most time consuming to get out of all the weapons that are the same ilvl as it denying that is beeing naive honestly (not directed to anyone). 3 weeks you can have an i200 weapon through esoterics there let the others who want an i200 relic burn their brains out for drops etc. Seperate the players a bit its not that much to ask. There is no need for this communism nerf gameplay.

[MageBlack]

@ Skizzle:

So the new relic will be basically handed to us? No grind involved? The old relic will have zero bearing on the new relic so it wont matter if we do the previous stages at all? and the new relic will not be the BiS with each successive upgrade step in the patches? Can you link to where they gave these details, cause I think I missed them. Or are you just building a straw man so you can tear it down over and over again to get some sympathy for being so persecuted? I'm just trying to understand, that's all.

[Seryl199]

To everyone who is intentionally thinking I want a new FFXI its not what i want im getting extremly tired of the same corny replies. Either you read all replies or just don't reply with half information. I want something in this game one lousy thing to just be enjoayble and rewardable grind wise. You guys have everything else just leave one damn piece of the cake for everyone else who wants to enjoy a grind. I can't beleive it sometimes. Let the relic be enjoyable you want it grind for it no handouts no bs no nerf get lights and dungeon drops like everyone else.

I fail to see how a player grinding out a relic several months after I've completed mine has any bearing on my enjoyment or sense of accomplishment of my own. The only thing that preserving the grind does is make it more difficult for a new player to accomplish it along with the newer, relevant content. The only thing that does, in turn, is make current relic holders the only relic holders, except a rare few that are willing to grind it in its entirety. I don't understand why that's what you want, the relic is inferior in every way to NQ white gear we obtain at higher levels.

We grinded the 2.0 relics for both appearance and performance. Now, only the appearance of those weapons is relevant, it's a raid worthy weapon that has become purely cosmetic. It makes no sense to have a grind in place that rewarded a powerful, relevant, and uniquely designed weapon when it's look is all that matters now. You'd be better served instituting a grind for a level 1 glamour that would never become invalidated because of something like ilevel.

[Naliee]

@ Skizzle:

So the new relic will be basically handed to us? No grind involved? The old relic will have zero bearing on the new relic so it wont matter if we do the previous stages at all? and the new relic will not be the BiS with each successive upgrade step in the patches? Can you link to where they gave these details, cause I think I missed them. Or are you just building a straw man so you can tear it down over and over again to get some sympathy for being so persecuted? I'm just trying to understand, that's all.

I wanna see this too. Only thing that has been said that Zeta owners are getting "consideration" for 3.1 relic.

[Velhart]

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I don't think at development meetings that they take into consideration FFXI players when making a decision nor have any reason to care. Despite what you believe, the team does not owe the FFXI community anything.