Did Yoshi P messed up the relics Im trying to understand the meaning of this help me!

**Velhart** · 08-17-2015 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Lemuria

You do this in two ways. Firstly, you curb the vertical progression. Secondly, you create a weapon that evolves, rather than merely stagnating. The relics in FFXI start at level 75 but eventually become level 99 through upgrades.

That just goes back to what I originally said. How do you expect people to catch up when we are 2-3 expansions in?

The reason people would do it is because the relic would be special, something worth owning. You might have a sword at level 99, but what of the person with the relic sword who deals bonus holy damage on strikes, or that guy adding poison onto targets through mere melee strikes?

That only works in the context of FFXI. Adding features like that to a weapon is potentially breaks balance and makes getting a weapon through raiding less relevant. If devs do something like that, they would have to greatly rework how their weapons and stats work.

The reason no one really cares about XIV relics is that, aside from their appearance, they're boring. They offer you nothing new or unique over existing weapons, just a shiny glow and new bodywork. Give people something to care about, and you'd see a lot more support for future relics.

People do not care about the relic? Each time a new relic step came out, PF was booming with people doing things like light parties, dungeon spam. Even making LS's for them. Materia prices also booming each time. You are going to have a hard time convincing me that people do not care. BiS players most definitely care.

**Reynhart** · 08-17-2015 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by Lemuria

You still didn't exactly refute his argument there.

Because he has no argument besides "In FFXI, my relic was..."

Originally Posted by Lemuria

You do this in two ways. Firstly, you curb the vertical progression.

Which is only really doable once you stop increasing the level cap. And for FFXI specifically, only work because there was the stupid idea than you can change your pants while casting a spell.

Originally Posted by Lemuria

Secondly, you create a weapon that evolves, rather than merely stagnating.

Relic are specifically weapons that evolves, in case you can't compare a Curtana to an Excalibur Zeta. It's just that you don't like vertical evolution, so it's not the game for you, at least, yet.

Originally Posted by Lemuria

The relics in FFXI start at level 75 but eventually become level 99 through upgrades.

They became lvl99 because people were bitching exactly like now, and it was, again, when level cap reach its final peak after 5 expansion. Point is, we know nothing of how the game will "end", and you're already complaining about people not having to do all your hard work.

And besides, if they nerfed, it's to urge people to still do it, so it can still be relevant in the long way.

Again, you know nothing...

**Iromi** · 08-18-2015 12:09 AM

I notice people saying vertical progression game...does that not contradict their armory system that they so heavily advertise for this game?

How do you have it so people can effectively play more then one job..and then have the gear progression vertical? That is a different topic for a different thread though. If it was one job per character I'd think it would be fine, but let's be real here..there is no way we can take more then one job in Alexander Savage effectively LOL.

Anyway I agree with some points made here, the relic is extremely underwhelming in this game. In 2.0, it was just used as something to help newbs and attempt to keep old content relevant. Relic in the Final Fantasy lore, was never something that held so little merit. I'd like to think we can all agree on that^^;

**Velhart** · 08-18-2015 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by Iromi

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May I ask how vertical progression makes the Armory System contradict itself?

**SkizzleofRagnarok** · 08-18-2015 12:34 AM

Again and again! Everything else in this game is a vertical progression. Just keep one lousy thing horizontal progression if possible. Its not really that bad to make you earn the relic compared to other weapons you can get in this game.
Its already gameover with this theory since Yoshi P already announced how the new questline will look and long story he short messed up anything that had to with the grind beeing enjoyable and rewarding for the relics.
Instead its a major handout and a slap to the face to exactly anyone who devoted time and spent millions of gils on this.
Thank you everyone that supported me in this topic and everyone else that enjoy these braindead handouts instead of earning anything you won with this useless WoW gaming mentality of constant outdated cares faster than you can enjoy them.
I truly hope Blizzard steals their customers from FFXIV Yoshi P and SE gets burned the hard way for wanting to go this path with the game.
Its partially their fault and the FFXI players during the 1.0 days when everyone complained about not wanting another FFXI on these forums but yet we got Yoshi Ps FF WoW Version.
We have no one else to blame but ourselves. Its already too late I hope Yoshi P is proud of himself taking the enjoyment and ruining anything rewarding from everyone who actually gave a rats ass about wanting something to grind for in this game.
The heart of the game died out a while back and its all about business and making as much money as possible short time and thats why we are stuck with this FF in a WoW Clone. Nothing will change that until the customers in this disloyal group they are trying to cater too moves on to the next MMORPG.

**Asierid** · 08-18-2015 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by Iromi

I notice people saying vertical progression game...does that not contradict their armory system that they so heavily advertise for this game?

That has nothing to do with what vertical progression actually is or how it works...

Armor is class based MMO's anyway, so whether we were vertical or horizontal has no bearing on how the job system works in XIV.