[SPOILER] Who or What is Unukalhai?

[CGMidlander]

This is super tinfoil-y, but regarding the WoL's nature, is it possible that Louisoux's botched invocation of the Twelve somehow infused the WoL with the power of ALL of them? The WoL himself/herself wouldn't be a primal, but would contain the power of the Twelve/Archons/Zodiac Braves/Whatever concentrated in one being.

Unlikely. 12 power went into this.
https://youtu.be/1xOOFCltZuc
(5:40 for fcob cs)

[Daralii]

Unlikely. 12 power went into this.
https://youtu.be/1xOOFCltZuc
(5:40 for fcob cs)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Phoenix the result of Eorzea's prayers for rebirth after the invocation of the Twelve failed? My knowledge of CoB stuff is lacking.

[Viridiana]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Phoenix the result of Eorzea's prayers for rebirth after the invocation of the Twelve failed? My knowledge of CoB stuff is lacking.

That's what gave form to it, but the power itself was largely the remnants from the attempt to summon the power of the Twelve. Or at least so I've been told...

[Anonymoose]

That specific is a little murky.

We know that:

• Louisoix tried to summon the strength of the Twelve, planning to kill himself at the ritual's peak so that they couldn't then manifest physically as primals.
• The aether brought by Tupsimati, infused with the prayers from all who took the pilgrimage, was not enough power to resist Bahamut
• Bahamut interrupted the cast and broke the ritual, leaving free-floating aether everywhere
• The free-floating aether reacted with the prayers of everyone there that Louisoix would save them
• Focused on Louisoix, the aether reacted with his wish of rebirth for Eorzea, reminding him of the Phoenix
• The aether transformed Louisoix into Phoenix, a new primal.

Some people believe that the remaining energy of the Twelve bestowed upon Louisoix his new power, some believe that the Twelve were completely uninvolved because if the aether was free-floating and reacting to prayer, it's likely that little of the Twelve's energy remained from the interrupted ritual. Why exactly Louisoix sees the spires of light from the first ritual around him as he awakens - I have no idea.

[Eisen-Zorn]

I really don't know why people are trying to rationalize the power of the Warrior of Light in to simple, normal terms.

"They can't be a primal."
"They're not special."
"They only have power because of The Echo."
"It's all because of Hydaelyn."

While I'll say the first one is far-fetched (but not impossible), we'll just set that one aside for later.

1) They have, at every opportunity, proven that they are not just a normal adventurer or even like other Echo users. The Archons and Ysayle all have The Echo, but they pale in comparison to the power of the Warrior of Light.

2) The Echo, which does grant great power, cannot be the only reason why the Warrior of Light had managed to, essentially single-handedly, brought low every primal they've faced. All of the other Archons have The Echo, but, as far as combating primals goes, they lack the might to fight them. The Echo appears to only protect them from tempering.

3) Midgardsormr removed the Blessing of Light and blocked the Warrior of Light from Hydaelyn. However, did this remotely diminish the Warrior of Light's seemingly extraordinary fount of power? Nope. Still defeated Ravana, Bismark, and Two Ascians without it.

Then, surprising an immortal dragon who has existed for eons, the Warrior of Light managed to break through Midgardsormr's barrier and reconnect with the Blessing of Light. I'm pretty sure a mortal impressing the father of all dragons is something that doesn't happen all too often.

So, alright, perhaps the Warrior of Light isn't a primal, but the they succeeded in surpassing extraordinary long ago. Thordan VII saw it as he was dying, and, whatever it was, not even The Ascians have managed to pin down how to deal with it. These Extreme Primals? They appear to be tests to see if the Warrior of Light has a limit. So far, they haven't found it.

[Viridiana]

3) Midgardsormr removed the Blessing of Light and blocked the Warrior of Light from Hydaelyn. However, did this remotely diminish the Warrior of Light's seemingly extraordinary fount of power? Nope. Still defeated Ravana, Bismark, and Two Ascians without it.

Well, in the interest of fairness, we had regained one of our Crystals before that. So while we certainly weren't anywhere near the height of our power, we had re-established a (very) tenuous connection.

[treuhavik]

I really don't know why people are trying to rationalize the power of the Warrior of Light in to simple, normal terms.

There's a link in the process that you're missing. It isn't that The Echo grants us superhuman power, it's that we've amassed our god-like power through The Echo.


As for the removal/reactivation of the Blessing, you see exactly what happens there. Midgardsormr created for himself a new body from our crystals, which in turn deactivated the Blessing of Light. It stands to reason that by that time we're strong enough ourselves to handle what we had to (we haven't needed Hydaelyn's intervention since Ultima, I'll add). We eventually restore power to our crystals by visiting places/accomplishing feats attributed to each element, and once all six are again lit, Hydaelyn reestablishes the connection--Bridge: Stable--WoLight-weapon: Ready.

Jury is still out on what Thordan VII truly thought of us as the light faded from his eyes. It's my current belief that, like the heroes of eld being elevated to godhood, so too are we, but in a more literal sense, I suppose, and by Hydaelyn's grace.

[Bloody]

1) They have, at every opportunity, proven that they are not just a normal adventurer or even like other Echo users. The Archons and Ysayle all have The Echo, but they pale in comparison to the power of the Warrior of Light.

Actually, last I checked, only Minfilia and Ysayle have the echo, none of the Scions do (which is why they didn't go help fight the primals themselves).

[Kaiser-Ace]

Actually, last I checked, only Minfilia and Ysayle have the echo, none of the Scions do (which is why they didn't go help fight the primals themselves).

That's correct. The only other Echo Users besides us three were all killed by Livia sas Junes in the Raid on The Waking Sands. The only survivors weren't echo users.

[Eisen-Zorn]

That's correct. The only other Echo Users besides us three were all killed by Livia sas Junes in the Raid on The Waking Sands. The only survivors weren't echo users.

Really? I thought the others also had The Echo. I must have been confused because I could have sworn that the others, like Thancred, managed to avoid tempering because they had The Echo. Which begs the question, if nobody else has The Echo, why are they constantly looking for primals and running in to dangerous places that would very likely get them tempered?