Bard - they broke my job

[Snowaeth]

first post ever!

and just want to say it sounds like I shouldn't have any issues seeing how I will be playing the class how it is now and never played it how it was

sorry to hear it sounds like it isn't as good, or maybe, as fun? as it once was but at least I will know no different

You'll still have to play it the way it used to be pre lvl 52.
Only beyond that the new skills will come into play.

It's just that you won't have to memorize and optimize the old rotation and then have to re-learn it again as you can just get by doing whatever till you can practice the new playstyle.

[Makeda]

Yeah this one seems like a bust.

The whole point of making a bard is the ability to move around while playing. Adding a cast time to everything - one might as well just be playing a Thaumaturge now.

People make Summoners and Scholars because they like having a pet. Why not just take that away too - and make them identical to Thaumaturge and White Mage? Force Warrior to carry a shield or remove it from Paladin.

Clip all the ears and tails off M'Qote... they don't serve any game purpose after all. Just remove all the non-Hyur elements.

Except those are the choices people went for in picking what to play...

This is a Job-killing change. It makes the point of taking this job over another ranged DPS... pointless.

[Sekundessounet]

You know, you can just drop WM when you need to move.

[Geardagas]

Yeah this one seems like a bust.

The whole point of making a bard is the ability to move around while playing. Adding a cast time to everything - one might as well just be playing a Thaumaturge now.

This is a Job-killing change. It makes the point of taking this job over another ranged DPS... pointless.

Bard is much funner and more engaging and thoughtful now than it was in 2.x, in my opinion. The job wasn't killed, it was vastly improved. Comparing us to a thaumaturge says "i don't know what i'm talking about". Saying that you can no longer move around while playing says "I don't know what i'm talking about". And stating what you think the purpose of playing bard is as if it applies to everyone is ridiculous. I play because it has an engaging rotation with a heavy dose of support thrown in.

There are barely any times that I need to move around to the point that the cast times become an issue. Ravana, Waukkeon, A3...that's just about it. I turn WM off for a bit, then turn it right back on...whoop dee doo. What would you do without WM, do your rotation while running in circles pointlessly? Oh darn, you actually have to pay attention to where you're standing now! The horror!

You know, you can just drop WM when you need to move.

You stop with that sense-making, mister! We need to complain!

[Greedalox]

This is a Job-killing change. It makes the point of taking this job over another ranged DPS... pointless.

It's actually not a job-killing change, you just don't like it. Bards are not in a terrible place in the grand scheme of things. If the only reason you played BRD was to quick strafe left and right or back and forth or perhaps jump up and down, then the class was probably never really much of a draw to you. Sure, WM removed your ability to needlessly flail around in a fight, but you can always turn it off when the time comes to actually need to move.

That's not to say that perhaps something can be done to help BRD's out with a bit of flavour (Really, the immensely short cast times don't really reduce your ability to complete casts to avoid mechanics, so it is flavour) that was lost with the introduction of WM.

Your post was just exaggerative and as such, you're not helping your cause by not addressing your concerns on a realistic level.

[Sleigh]

The whole point of making a bard is the ability to move around while playing.

I never understand when people state this. Being very mobile was a feature of BRD, just like singing songs as support and having great burst/DoTs/AoE have always been (oddly enough, those areas were even further improved). It was just an advantage. If that's why you chose BRD to play, and that was the core feature you were so into BRD for, I'd suggest going to SMN or MCH.

[Katchoo]

Bard is much funner now than it was in 2.x. The job wasn't killed, it was vastly improved.!

Subjective opinion.

You know, you can just drop WM when you need to move.

DPS loss, cross class Feint.

[aabe]

You stop with that sense-making, mister! We need to complain!

Heh, pretty funny series of events.
Wow, you can't even turn it back on without a cast time! WTF SE, make it so we can stance dance so we don't lose all our deeps when we have to move! We don't even do that much more damage with Minuet on either!
"Alright here's another 10% damage, and now it doesn't have a cast time anymore"
Cast times suck! What is the point of this job??

[aabe]

DPS loss, cross class Feint.

Unless you're losing an empyreal arrow/dropping dots or popping a very high potency oGCD, it is a dps gain.
Finish a cast, drop WM during gcd, heavy shot when GCD is back up, then do WM -> bloodletter or WM -> flaming WM -> sidewinder etc.
150 * .3 = 195 potency from WM HS, or 150 potency HS out of wm + 100p autoattack.
And less TP.

[Geardagas]

Subjective opinion.

Braindead response to 5% of my post. Howbout commenting on the other 95%.