Bard - they broke my job

[Makeda]

Yeah this one seems like a bust.

The whole point of making a bard is the ability to move around while playing. Adding a cast time to everything - one might as well just be playing a Thaumaturge now.

People make Summoners and Scholars because they like having a pet. Why not just take that away too - and make them identical to Thaumaturge and White Mage? Force Warrior to carry a shield or remove it from Paladin.

Clip all the ears and tails off M'Qote... they don't serve any game purpose after all. Just remove all the non-Hyur elements.

Except those are the choices people went for in picking what to play...

This is a Job-killing change. It makes the point of taking this job over another ranged DPS... pointless.

[Geardagas]

Yeah this one seems like a bust.

The whole point of making a bard is the ability to move around while playing. Adding a cast time to everything - one might as well just be playing a Thaumaturge now.

This is a Job-killing change. It makes the point of taking this job over another ranged DPS... pointless.

Bard is much funner and more engaging and thoughtful now than it was in 2.x, in my opinion. The job wasn't killed, it was vastly improved. Comparing us to a thaumaturge says "i don't know what i'm talking about". Saying that you can no longer move around while playing says "I don't know what i'm talking about". And stating what you think the purpose of playing bard is as if it applies to everyone is ridiculous. I play because it has an engaging rotation with a heavy dose of support thrown in.

There are barely any times that I need to move around to the point that the cast times become an issue. Ravana, Waukkeon, A3...that's just about it. I turn WM off for a bit, then turn it right back on...whoop dee doo. What would you do without WM, do your rotation while running in circles pointlessly? Oh darn, you actually have to pay attention to where you're standing now! The horror!

You know, you can just drop WM when you need to move.

You stop with that sense-making, mister! We need to complain!

[Katchoo]

Bard is much funner now than it was in 2.x. The job wasn't killed, it was vastly improved.!

Subjective opinion.

You know, you can just drop WM when you need to move.

DPS loss, cross class Feint.

[aabe]

DPS loss, cross class Feint.

Unless you're losing an empyreal arrow/dropping dots or popping a very high potency oGCD, it is a dps gain.
Finish a cast, drop WM during gcd, heavy shot when GCD is back up, then do WM -> bloodletter or WM -> flaming WM -> sidewinder etc.
150 * .3 = 195 potency from WM HS, or 150 potency HS out of wm + 100p autoattack.
And less TP.

[Geardagas]

Subjective opinion.

Braindead response to 5% of my post. Howbout commenting on the other 95%.

[Katchoo]

Braindead response to 5% of my post. Howbout commenting on the other 95%.

Because this is the one i have issue with? You can't say that Bard is now more fun full stop. Thats a subjective opinion.

[Geardagas]

Because this is the one i have issue with? You can't say that Bard is now more fun full stop. Thats a subjective opinion.

Ok, no more subjective opinions on the forum because the great Katchoo has uttered his divine decree. Except noone is going to listen to it, lol.

Here's an objective fact to tickle your fancy: feint is not a dps increase when you have to move, and the dps lost during the 20 seconds or so during the 3 fights that turning WM off is a good idea is inconsequential to begin with.

[Katchoo]

Ok, no more subjective opinions on the forum because the great Katchoo has uttered his divine decree. Except noone is going to listen to it,

Subjective opinions are fine. if you say "I think Bard is more fun" that great! The thing is its when people say 'BARD IS MORE FUN NOW PERIOD FOR EVERYBODY" and it's funny how many people think that. Maybe that was not your intention but thats how it sounded.

Here's an objective fact to tickle your fancy: feint is not a dps increase when you have to move, and the dps lost during the 20 seconds or so during the 3 fights that turning WM off is a good idea is inconsequential to begin with.

Sorry i should have been more clear / read what was written better. I was considering just if you need to doge one thing rather than an extended period like 20 seconds. Thing is stance dancing for one attack sounds good on paper but in reality thats a lot of things you have to do / react to in a very tiny space of time (inb4 get gud scrub)

[aabe]

You stop with that sense-making, mister! We need to complain!

Heh, pretty funny series of events.
Wow, you can't even turn it back on without a cast time! WTF SE, make it so we can stance dance so we don't lose all our deeps when we have to move! We don't even do that much more damage with Minuet on either!
"Alright here's another 10% damage, and now it doesn't have a cast time anymore"
Cast times suck! What is the point of this job??