Ninja: Heaven-Sword (And Beyond)

[MrCookTM]

And what about the eso stuff ?

If you take a look at the stats you will realize the chest piece is one of the worst pieces of the set. I suggest go for whatever other pieces you can afford acc wise first because generally the alex normal body will suffice for now. For me personally I bought weapon last week, belt and bracelet this week and will go for shoes next week. Didn't plan any further ahead.


I have a question too though. If I can somehow not fit duality+AE into the TA window of the opener consistently because of latency issues (works generally fine on a dummy, but in savage last night it only worked like 30% of the time max), is it a dps increase to switch the duality AE combo to the middle of the opener and mutilate to the end? Aka is missing a fully buffed AE with duality worse than missing a fully buffed mutilate in TA? I'd guess so, but since I'm not too much of a math genius, especially when buffs/debuffs/dots are involved, I thought I'd ask...

[Arkenne]

Well, not a math genious myself but...
Mutilate gains 36 extra potency damage from TA.
While Duality AE gains 64.

Have you tried not using double ogcds and using Kassatsu Shuriken instead of Kassatsu Raiton? You should have plenty of time to fit 5 gcds in with no trouble O__o

[Fellesarah]

It is a fact , the ninja is a broken class, agro skills are crap and no reason to exist , there is no problem of agro generation with tanks , TA does not increase the overall dps at the end of a raid and the chance of error is very high. Error is equal to lose dps . The logic says to not take the ninja in progression like SA3, a group with BLM , DRK , MNK will do much better dps work , than a group with BLM , DRK , NIN. Its a FACT YOSHIDA is wrong ..... ( warrior 2.1)

[Subucnimorning]

It is a fact , the ninja is a broken class, agro skills are crap and no reason to exist , there is no problem of agro generation with tanks , TA does not increase the overall dps at the end of a raid and the chance of error is very high. Error is equal to lose dps . The logic says to not take the ninja in progression like SA3, a group with BLM , DRK , MNK will do much better dps work , than a group with BLM , DRK , NIN. Its a FACT YOSHIDA is wrong ..... ( warrior 2.1)

Please stop spreading this misinformation in multiple threads

[Arkenne]

It is a fact

And... the proof? Ó_ö?

[Pluvia]

And... the proof? Ó_ö?

There is none we won't know if there really are any issues with ninja for awhile. Other then aoe,tp and the stupid trick attack situation
Progression isn't over nor do we know how all the melee scale yet

[Arkenne]

I like NIN anyway and I've yet to find a real practical reason to think NIN is gimped at all :|

[Fellesarah]

Ok .. One boss fight 3 dps one fight 3 min simulation BLM , DRK (DRG sorry edited) , MNK same average gear lvl

3*900 (here is a average dps for ilvl 170) +180 (seconds)= 486.000 damage done

Ninja at same average gear ilvl do 750 dps .... (average value from data)

now (2*900+750)*180 = 459.000 damage done but TA do 10% more dps , in 180 seconds = 2 TA up

459.000 + (2*900+750)*20(seconds)*0,1 = 459.000 +5100 = 464.100

486.000 - 464.100 = 21.900 damage lost

but TA has is a 3 stage ninjutsu I need to compile success chance too ?

[MrCookTM]

Well, not a math genious myself but...
Mutilate gains 36 extra potency damage from TA.
While Duality AE gains 64.

Have you tried not using double ogcds and using Kassatsu Shuriken instead of Kassatsu Raiton? You should have plenty of time to fit 5 gcds in with no trouble O__o

I use shuriken exclusively in the opener and most of the time in general (unless foe's is up), EU lag is real. Which oGCD to leave out then if I don't double weave? I guess jugulate?

Opener I use is like this: SE (B4B+IR), GS (pot), DE (suiton), SE (TA+kassatsu), SF (shuriken), mutilate (DwaD), SE (mug+jugulate), GS (duality), AE

[Pluvia]

Ok .. One boss fight 3 dps one fight 3 min simulation BLM , DRK (DRG sorry edited) , MNK same average gear lvl

3*900 (here is a average dps for ilvl 170) +180 (seconds)= 486.000 damage done

Ninja at same average gear ilvl do 750 dps .... (average value from data)

now (2*900+750)*180 = 459.000 damage done but TA do 10% more dps , in 180 seconds = 2 TA up

459.000 + (2*900+750)*20(seconds)*0,1 = 459.000 +5100 = 464.100

486.000 - 464.100 = 21.900 damage lost

but TA has is a 3 stage ninjutsu I need to compile success chance too ?

Other then the dps numbers being wrong I feel like this math is over complicating things can someone else try to explain this post to me in an easier to digest way it's 4 am here. or if the math makes no sense give me the info of how much of a raid increase trick attack is on a dummy. Want to know if it's changed from lvl 50