Did Yoshi P messed up the relics Im trying to understand the meaning of this help me!

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Asierid: They are copying almost every other MMORPG why not use something from FFXI? Is that too much to ask since you have influences and elements from every other MMORPG?

[Asierid]

Considering this is a vertical progression, theme park MMO; and XI is horizontal and more open world...

Yes, actually.

Everything is relevant in XI. Relics were still used for quite some time due to the virtually nonexistent gear creep, so they had to stay as grindy as usual.

Relics here are pointless "relics" (ha) from 2.0. They serve no purpose now. Why keep it the same and not let any player experience the story? It's not like the relic is some sexy super weapon anymore like it was back in 2.x. This is just a case of pride getting in the way of common sense to me.

[Gilthas]

Asierid: They are copying almost every other MMORPG why not use something from FFXI? Is that too much to ask since you have influences and elements from every other MMORPG?

But they are using stuff from FFXI already.

Besides the similar jobs, abilities, items, monsters, etc, Desynthesis is pretty much heavily based on FFXI's crafting.

[Assirra]

Asierid: They are copying almost every other MMORPG why not use something from FFXI? Is that too much to ask since you have influences and elements from every other MMORPG?

Let's be honest here.
From the sound of your posts you don't want them to copy "something" from FFXI.
You want everything form FFXI.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Assirra: I am honest. I'm fully aware FFXI in todays time its not possible. Gamers are more lazy and used to a non grind envoirment. I'm also not interested in FFXI cause i dont want to wait 6 hours for a party and have to fight HNMs pops and camping etc. You could still learn from other good things from FFXI like forcepopping bosses with items on world map? BCNM KSNM etc all these things could work with vertical progression too you know since it just requires having a good amount of pop items to enter a battlefield and get drops =) Since we can have any of that just leave the relic one whats the big deal?

[Waeksyn]

You could still learn from other good things from FFXI like forcepopping bosses with items on world map?

Oh, you mean kinda like treasure maps in FFXIV?

All this FFXI nostalgia is inevitable I guess. People tend to latch on to the familiar and romanticize the past.

The Relic system in FFXI was a brutal grind fest that required LSs to use their membership as slave labour to advance a chosen few. I think that system is best left behind.

I'm eager to find out what SE has in mind for new relics and what leg-up current zeta holders will have in the new quest. I expect it will be a modest advantage.

[Granyala]

As someone who got his Zeta post nerf:
I don't care.

Also it's not like they hand it to you. W/o the bonus window announcement due to a lack of people posting, nexus is as grindy and "hard" as it has ever been. Probably the most intense stage of the weapon now, since atma has been nerfed to hell and the books only cost a penny.
Also: I spend 3M gil POST NERF! on the Zeta crafting items alone.

It's an outdated item, most newcomers won't even bother with THAT kind of grind it for a simple projection skin. So it will remain a relatively rare sight. Esp once the new relic hits and is considered "the new hotness".

[Naliee]

I don't think today's gamers would have the patience to even grind relics like they were in XI. I know I didn't. =D

[Catwho]

Gjallarhorn? meh , Daurdabla let the brd put a 3rd song....

Aegis : magic dmg taken -25% at 75.... -50% at 99.

FFXIV ....u can change to DRK for magic mitigation :P

I hope relic this time is done right , because i hated the Novus stage...

Right, which is why a "professional" bard needed both. The effects stacked. 99 Ghorn was +4 to all songs - the universal instrument. Dharp permitted 3 songs, 4 if maxed out, but with no bonuses. 99 Ghorn let the bard pretty much replace a red mage for party buffs since they could handle all the hastes to magic cap single handedly with /WHM and refresh up to an insane +13 MP/tick and provide supplemental healing. In my old static, we had WHM SCH BRD MNK THF PLD for our Seekers content (occasionally swapping out the SCH or a BLM, or a MNK or THF for something else.) I was the bard, and I used both 99 Ghorn and 90 Dharp for three very VERY potent songs.

[Lan_Mantear]

Guess what: I grinded out my Veil of Wiyu Novus in mere THREE days!

Half of objective isnt the only thing they nerfed, I also got all the alexanderite I needed in mere TWO hours thanks to 2000/2000 poetics i saved up. Whats even more awesome is that I dont have to give a bull's feces on what materia i meld onto it.

Does this upset you OP? Does it?

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