Assirra: I am honest. I'm fully aware FFXI in todays time its not possible. Gamers are more lazy and used to a non grind envoirment. I'm also not interested in FFXI cause i dont want to wait 6 hours for a party and have to fight HNMs pops and camping etc. You could still learn from other good things from FFXI like forcepopping bosses with items on world map? BCNM KSNM etc all these things could work with vertical progression too you know since it just requires having a good amount of pop items to enter a battlefield and get drops =) Since we can have any of that just leave the relic one whats the big deal?