Adding Legacy Tattoo to Mog Station

[DreameR7g]

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Then people missed out on obtaining the tattoo. Not everything people miss out on deserves to come back, after all. ESPECIALLY if it had ties to 1.0. Otherwise, you're pretty much saying "I don't care if you played 1.0 and I didn't. I deserve to have it, regardless of what those people think or how they feel."

At the end of the day, if SE wants to do it, they'll do it but every action has its consequence. The consequence here is that you take something which is perceived as special (The tattoo is one of those things) and then make it common place, destroying its original value. And you can understand why those who've obtained such a piece would be upset at the spike of value.

[Titor]

"I don't care if you played 1.0 and I didn't. I deserve to have it, regardless of what those people think or how they feel."

This is actually pretty much how I feel. Whether or not you played 1.0 does not have meaning or impact on the game it is. I am a very strong supporter both with money and time into this game. I do not see a reason I should not be able to play the alternate timeline due to not knowing that 1.0 existed IRL. The mounts, the titles, and the 1.0 exclusive gear signified accomplishment. I am not trying to take that from you. An event tattoo that had nothing to do with money or support is something that I believe I should have the option to buy now with my current support of SE and the game, yes.

I do not understand why 1.0 players 'deserve' this now. Is it because you think they spent more money? I am willing to spend the difference of cost in the cash shop now. So what is it, knowing about things 'before it was cool'. What is this, hipster status?

[DreameR7g]

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It doesn't have anything to do with money. I was wrong about that. However, it does have something to do with supporting the game. After all, you paid for a game which was sub par by simply buying it. Regardless of if it went free to play, it did have a subscription fee. Once XIV got terrible reviews did SE decide that it wasn't right to charge for the game at the state it was in.

SE then went out of their way to completely apologize to the fanbase which invested their time (and in certain aspects: money) into a game which was beneath the standards SE was trying to go for. The legacy tattoo is one of those apologies and also can be seen as a "thank you" for being around and still paying (and playing) a game which really didn't deserve our time or effort.

It doesn't make any logical sense why a person who wasn't there would earn such a marking. You may see it as a harmless trifle. But I don't and some others in this discussion agree with me.

At the end of the day, its just our viewpoints. If SE really wants to do it, they'll do it. It just will piss me off. XD

[Dhex]

Whether or not you played 1.0 does not have meaning or impact on the game it is.

Wrong. Yoshi-P and crew took over FFXIV as a title because they (Square Enix) saw that people were willing to stick with it and believed in the franchise. This is why they had so many closed Alpha tests that pulled Legacy players in, and why they gave all Legacy players priority for the closed, and open Beta sessions.

Playing, supporting, and paying for 1.0 made it possible for this game to be rebooted.

Don't give me this bologna about not understanding.

[Lexia]

...Whether or not you played 1.0 does not have meaning or impact on the game it is. I am a very strong supporter both with money and time into this game. I do not see a reason I should not be able to play the alternate timeline due to not knowing that 1.0 existed IRL. The mounts, the titles, and the 1.0 exclusive gear signified accomplishment. I am not trying to take that from you. An event tattoo that had nothing to do with money or support is something that I believe I should have the option to buy now with my current support of SE and the game, yes.

I do not understand why 1.0 players 'deserve' this now. Is it because you think they spent more money? ...

So as mentioned in early post SE should of just wiped everything and made everyone start new? Would that made people happy? If that happened this thread wouldn't even exist.

[Mahv]

This entire thread, I believe, has made my point for me: when there is something, that was available for a short time, whether it was free, a reward, or purchased, that is no longer available to those who join after the fact, you get a schism in the community. You see elitists, hipsters, and outright jerks who believe they're better than others because they get special treatment and bonuses for when they played a game.

I'm not arguing the discounted subscription fee. If I had a problem paying my current fee, then I wouldn't be playing right now.

However, the in-game items, visible for all to see, can be a major discouragement for new players who find out that no matter how hard they work, no matter how much time and energy they put into the game, there is nothing they can do to match with the 'legacy' players - which then feeds the legacy ego. This leads to punishing them for whatever reason they were unable to play.

I was looking forward to trying 1.0. However, you don't know the situation I was in during that time: a move across the entirety of the US, a leaky RV to call home, a computer that could barely support solitaire, no internet, moving again, and having to take care of my elderly grandfather before watching him die. Now, I get to read threads like this where when someone asks SE to give others a chance to obtain those items, people essentially say 'sucks for you'.

We want a chance to see what you saw, to experience what you experienced. There is absolutely no reason, other than 'they don't want to', that they can't implement a questline allowing this through flashbacks, the Echo, or any other number of reasons. I am, and I know so many others are, willing to jump through hoops and break our backs to unlock and survive it through to the end. It's won't 'lessen' your own experiences, but it will perhaps straighten out you attitude in regards to newer, non-legacy players.

[Ryel]

exaggerations and unfortunate circumstances

Sorry, but giving the tattoo to newer players does not allow them to see what we saw, or experience the falling of Dalamud, no amount of youtube videos or lore bits will equal the in-game experience, this isn't a knock against anyone it just is what it is.

Also the game cannot create repeat quests etc because those assets and the world design are no longer in use (hence the entire point of it to begin with).

Adding a new means to obtain the legacy mark for players who were not there for the battle of Carteneau (or logged in during that period) however would essentially cheapen what the mark is intended to stand for, it's symbol both by in-game lore standards and by RL ones of players who were around at one of the most important parts of the game's history.

This isn't like seasonal events which are recurring each year and should always have the opportunity for players to obtain their items, this was for the closing down and subsequent rebirth of the entire game.

I'm sorry that it doesn't mesh with your RP or that you weren't there for it, and I'm sorry that there are players that would use it as a means to lord it over others, but there really is no reason why they should give this out for players that were not around when the event took place.

This is where someone will inevitably ask "How does it effect you?"

Handing them out now (by any means) would lead myself and many other players to question the integrity of both Yoshida and the development staff for going back on something that was expressed as only being obtainable during a limited time, along with the Dalamud Horn and the White Ravens these were all symbols of an old and now long passed age of the game.

I do however have no issue with players getting body tattoo options in the character creation if they wish, but the legacy mark (aka the Mark of the Twelve) holds significant lore importance to a period of the game.

[Mahv]

Arguing about special snowflake status being threatened.

Why not? Why can we not establish a flash-back sequence of dungeons and trials that allows those that missed out on the key points of the legacy story to experience it? It would then, logically, open up the avenue to justify a mark for those at the Battle of Carteneau, since you like to establish that it's such a lore-important facet of legacy characters. You keep reaffirming my opinion as to why this needs to be available to all players, not just the handful that happened to be around at a particular point in the game - thus making it little more than a seasonal event that has no way of repeating itself currently.

I don't want to buy the tattoo, or the chocobo, or anything all of you seem to think you 'deserve'. I want a chance to earn them, plain and simple. I want SE to know that myself, and so many others, want a chance to earn what we missed out on for whatever reason.

[Ryel]

Why not? Why can we not establish a flash-back sequence of dungeons and trials that allows those that missed out on the key points of the legacy story to experience it? It would then, logically, open up the avenue to justify a mark for those at the Battle of Carteneau, since you like to establish that it's such a lore-important facet of legacy characters. You keep reaffirming my opinion as to why this needs to be available to all players, not just the handful that happened to be around at a particular point in the game - thus making it little more than a seasonal event that has no way of repeating itself currently.

I don't want to buy the tattoo, or the chocobo, or anything all of you seem to think you 'deserve'. I want a chance to earn them, plain and simple. I want SE to know that myself, and so many others, want a chance to earn what we missed out on for whatever reason.

Because it was specifically advertised as otherwise.

You seem to want to play this up as some sort of special snowflake issue, but the simple fact is that it was advertised as a one time deal for a reason.

SE is far from the first company or organization to do this and they'll be far from the last, in this case it's not a matter of being "special" or denying other players the opportunity but rather it has everything to do with Yoshida and SE keeping their promise of how the mark was obtained and what it would stand for, for the lifetime of the game.

To me it sounds much more selfish and entitled to request them to take a step back because you personally felt you missed out by not being around when it was available as all the effort you want put into creating a series of flashback trials and dungeons to get something you weren't around for could be better spent on new content that both new and old players can enjoy benefits from.

Once again I'm sorry you missed out and it's unfortunate, but a promise from the Producer/Director and the company at large has to mean something if we're to continue to trust their words in the future.

[Kowen]

You keep reaffirming my opinion as to why this needs to be available to all players, not just the handful that happened to be around at a particular point in the game - thus making it little more than a seasonal event that has no way of repeating itself currently.

It doesn't really have anything to do with the items or the lore.

They could add a flashback quest line, but the legacy perks themselves symbolize the fact that some players stuck around and supported the game when it was crappy and the future was uncertain.

It sucks that you weren't able to play 1.0 even though you wanted to, but it's not right to make those symbols of support available to everyone, regardless of how small they are.