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  1. #2191
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    cgbspender's Avatar
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    Honinbo Dosaku
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    Ragnarok
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    Culinarian Lv 70
    I understand your point about the HP treshold, and I fully agree with it. Even I like to run dungeons with STR tanks, as long as they're good. What I was saying is that promoting STR accesories at all costs only brings the worst out of the majority of tanks and should consequently come with a disclaimer/a few conditions (don't do that at home kids...)
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  2. #2192
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    RyuujinZERO's Avatar
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    K'hali Thalen
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    Goblin
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    Scholar Lv 71
    I was about to post my horror story from today but it sounds like this entire topic is dedicated to the same story, retold time and again...

    tl;dr

    54 DRK, STR accessories, No grit, barely meets item req. Pulls EVERYTHING (But holds nothing)
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  3. #2193
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    Mclyde's Avatar
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    Ingrid Krimhilde
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 60
    We were farming Ifrit poney in a team of 6 guys, i was Astro.
    It was unsynch so not very complicated. We killed him 2 or 3 times, then an other tank join us (friend with the pf creator i think).
    During this try some dps died since they didn't avoid the aoe, then the new tank begin to say : "we should kick the Aro"
    Well no one reply, we were focusing on the game. Near the end we were only 3 left since every others (including the whm) had been killed in the aoe. We still manage to killed Ifrit eventhough i got the aggro.
    Then after the loot, he just said :
    "This Astro is a cunt. I leave"

    It was one ordinary day as an Astro in FFXIV
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  4. #2194
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    Minorinz's Avatar
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    Yuni Azure
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    Spriggan
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    on shiva hm, wiped 4 times cause tanks don't how to tank. Eating all the debuffs they can eat then getting 2 shot before a heal is done casting. Literally had to spam heals even when they were on full hp to make sure they somehow don't die after 1 hit. They still died and I still had to res them on the clear. The best part was they were blaming us the healers for not being able to heal them with vuln up debuffs and the extra damage from ground aoes. The whole party backed them on it....
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  5. #2195
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    Tyla_Esmeraude's Avatar
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    Tyla Esmeraude
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    Excalibur
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightTundra View Post
    Noct Sect spells are highly inefficient if you do not need the eHP from shields to extend the target's "maxHP" over its original threshhold. SCHs actively use their shields because they do not have a Cure II or Medica equivalent like AST does. Generally, if the raid-wide damage is not going to kill the raid or a specific target in one blow, you're better off using Helios or Benefic II.
    I personally use it a lot on that fight specially for when orbs are coming, which is very consecutively, so it's up almost all the time. That way I know whoever decides to get an orb will absorb the damage and will give me some time frame (or the other healer) to cure them without them dying. MP hasn't been an issue personally. The key is knowing when to use LA and your Ewer cards when you do get them without compromising useful cards for DPS or tank. I ran with my AST today (nocturnal) a lot and when I did get AST co-healers (diurnal stance), I noticed they didn't use Synastry to help themselves out, no Disable, little AOE regen healing, ran out of MP regardless and mind you I was doing *a lot* of healing, eating 3 orbs with the help of Aspec Bene spam, AoE Healing, even using Benefic II for those hard impacts, yet my MP was always sitting like at 8-9k on last phase (start of) while theirs was already at like 4-5k. I even had to give them Ewer cards to help them out. In my opinion it all comes down to LA and Ewer cards management, also Synastry helps a lot, but not even once I saw them using it. Imagine if on top of my Synastry, they had added theirs, the fight wouldn't have given us so many headaches.
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    Last edited by Tyla_Esmeraude; 08-12-2015 at 04:10 PM.

  6. #2196
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    cgbspender's Avatar
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    Honinbo Dosaku
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    Ragnarok
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    Culinarian Lv 70
    synastry one another would be the best way to handle this phase.
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  7. #2197
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    DarkmoonVael's Avatar
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    Darkmoon Vael
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 60
    I suppose this is more of a general occurance rather than specific stories, but when running as SCH in 8 man DF, get paired with an AST, AST sits in noctural for some reason and just overwrites my shields all the friggin time. Crit adlo.....oh look aspected benefic just destroyed it........sigh. Last week it was a very bad Chrysalis run in DF due to AST in noct whilst i was SCH. Today same occurance. I have AST at 60, and i cant really say i would be running Noct Sect with a SCH.
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  8. #2198
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    Zentsa's Avatar
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    Character
    Runa Kawasaki
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 80
    AST/SCH is the same like AST/AST.
    Can´t tell how often i paired with another AST who dont look at the Card buffs from the other AST and overwrite them :/ or use his Shields/HoTs 1-2 Seconds after me.
    I stopped then and let them do Aoe Hots or Shileds, its a waste of my mana.
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  9. #2199
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    Lunaxia's Avatar
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    Ashe Sinclair
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    Phoenix
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Minorinz View Post
    on shiva hm, wiped 4 times cause tanks don't how to tank. Eating all the debuffs they can eat then getting 2 shot before a heal is done casting. Literally had to spam heals even when they were on full hp to make sure they somehow don't die after 1 hit. They still died and I still had to res them on the clear. The best part was they were blaming us the healers for not being able to heal them with vuln up debuffs and the extra damage from ground aoes. The whole party backed them on it....
    tbh you can always tell when it's a bad party rather than your healing if the group starts collectively whinging at you when things go wrong.
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  10. #2200
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    Shalan's Avatar
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    Eilonwy Ilyr
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 80
    Feel like I'm posting here too often but here's another fun one...
    It's my first time healing in Stone Vigil and we get a tank who says he's new to the dungeon. He's wearing the blue crown and belt piece from the level 45 PLD quest but not the pants or shoes (wearing Mythril Flanchard [takes both boot and pants slots]) and mostly up-to-date gear. The kind of stuff I'd expect a player to be wearing while leveling up.
    We kick things off and the first few mobs go OK, but by the time we hit the first hallway, the one where the drake comes down to breathe fire on us for the first time we wipe.
    Yep, we wiped in the first hallway.

    The tank, while using Flash and his Halone combo (occasionally) was utterly unable to hold aggro to anyone in the party forcing the Dragoon to assume duties as a secondary tank in many situations to keep the aggro off me. We ended up wiping two or three times on our way to the first boss as some of the damage was just coming in too fast for me to heal everyone at once, especially given how hard those patrolling Aevis's could hit. We did make it to the first boss eventually and after buffing everyone up we moved in, only to find that the tank decided it would be fun to spin the boss constantly. He had done this with a few of the mobs but stopped partway through after we brought it up he shouldn't be doing that. After losing one of our DPS and having raised the other only to lose them again, we barely manage to clear the first boss with myself and the tank still alive.
    The entire time the tank said nothing, remaining completely silent aside from his opening statement at the start.

    We wiped once or twice more approaching the second boss, and at this time I noticed the tank was not only not using his CDs but he also wasn't in any of his Oath stances. I tried to get him to use them but, as ever, he said nothing. At this point our Dragoon drops and we get another Dragoon who's even better than the first and is willing to stick through thick and thin. Aside from some close shaves due to having to heal people a lot the second boss wasn't too bad. Had some problems with typhoons covering the cannons but we all managed without anyone dying.

    We didn't lose anyone on our way to the third boss until we reached the last group of mobs before his door, that pack of three Aevis, wiped twice on it but this time something even worse than all the other times happened. After the second wipe I lost power for a moment, shutting off my computer. Took me a few minutes to come back but I was relieved to find that my party hadn't abandoned each other or me and we carried on, this time making it to the door.
    We opened the door, talked as we waited for the tank to finish the cut scene and...
    Wiped on the final boss three times.

    First time the tank used one of his Oaths! Sword Oath to be exact, and then blew Convalescence and Rampart while running to the boss instead of during the fight.
    Second time we tried going so far as using the auto-translate tool to tell him to use Shield Oath.
    Third time we just gave up trying to help him.
    Fourth time we cleared but again, both DPS died during the fight and I was running around almost out of MP so I couldn't raise either of them (already raised one of them during the fight).
    Every time we fought the boss the tank would sometimes run into the circles of Frost the boss cast and almost always made sure he was standing in the fly-by breath attack.

    In retrospect, we really ought to have kicked him but it took both DPS a long time to get a dungeon and it took me about 10-15 as a healer to get a group as well so we just trudged through.
    The experience was quiet shocking for me though, I've only had four group wipes before this, two of which were in Titan with groups of people where everyone was new.
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    Last edited by Shalan; 08-13-2015 at 02:16 AM.

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