Bard - they broke my job

[Warlyx]

Ranger is that way ---->
The problem with BRD is too many ppl rolled ARC to be Legolas. All of the complaints about BRD have been rooted in Legolas syndrome since 1.0. If SE made a ranger job we wouldnt be hearing so much whine about the same ole deepz topic.

Brd is about utility and damage support. Its role is auxiliary rather than primary. A great bard makes a raid buttery smooth.

Legolas , really? 2001 is calling wants his Legolaswannabe jokes back.

BRD didnt even existed back in 1.0 , it wasnt until 1.2? that SE added Jobs....but things have changed a lot, Bard was still a DPS job tho , but could use Conjurer skills back then .

even in 2.0 u start as ARCHER , a DPS job....

we are in 3.0 and we are still doing dmg, "damage support or utility" roles are missing

why ppl still think we are Auxiliary or on the sides role ? , we havent got any changes to our support skills , hell we got a new song that never gets used because is a joke.

Nin got all the support skills , on top of Goad , Trick attack and slashing debuff , but i dont see any1 talking about NIN utility and damage support.

I blame it on the Job names , Change Bard to Ranger w/o removing the songs and we wont have this "perception" of being support .

[yamochan]

Nin got all the support skills , on top of Goad , Trick attack and slashing debuff , but i dont see any1 talking about NIN utility and damage support.

*offtopic on*
well actually a lot of ppl talk about NIN right now cause it got a major problem yes it brings the support but in europe NIN is almost unplayable thx to the huge server delay it wont come far over 1k dps and changes are already planned for that *offtopic off*

also no need to blame it on the name my class could be called facemelt0r for all i care if it plays alright and BRD just doesnt play alright atm.

[Kolsykol]

Any of you played Machinist too and know how they compare to Bards with the whole casting thing?
I am not bothered by cast times, what I am worried about however. Is the clunkiness that some people have mentioned.
I dunno if I want to level up my Machinist or Bard. I love the Ammo system and find the RNG system to be engaging. But holy crap.... The animations xD. They're so BORING in comparison to Bard.

I think that WM makes sense. Yeah, this is a fantasy game. And I am one of those people that don't care about realism. But still. I just like the idea of having the ability to run around and being more of a '' trick '' shooter. But then sitting back when given the opportunity, and actually. Oh I dunno. Actually drawing the bow properly and aiming :P. I dunno if any of you have fired a war bow in real life. But they're heavy. Actual war bows don't work the way that you see in movies with characters like Legolas.

[Kolsykol]

Oh dear, somebody already brought up the Legolas thing and upset people xD.
Don't get me wrong. I LOVE the mobility, and like I said. I am one of those people that give zero shiets about realism.
I like half naked men and women running around on open battlefields ( for some reason, people ignore the shirtless men with arrows flying by, lol.... ).

But I just also like the idea of my character focusing in more and giving the arrows more of a punch. I find the idea to be engaging, fun and rewarding.
I am just worried about the clunkiness that people have been talking about. I am just hoping that people are doing what they have a tendency to do when they don't like something.
Exaggerate. Let's be honest here. People LOVE to exaggerate.

Also, btw. Which abilities stay instant for bards and machinist in their stances?

[Rikkustrife]

Also, btw. Which abilities stay instant for bards and machinist in their stances?

no weapon skills for bard, though straight shot is instant with the proc.

[Katchoo]

Ranger is that way ---->
The problem with BRD is too many ppl rolled ARC to be Legolas. All of the complaints about BRD have been rooted in Legolas syndrome since 1.0. If SE made a ranger job we wouldnt be hearing so much whine about the same ole deepz topic.

Brd is about utility and damage support. Its role is auxiliary rather than primary. A great bard makes a raid buttery smooth.

I actually think there is a measure of truth here.

Did SE try and shove two sets of skills and ideas from two different classes into one?

Did SE take Bard in the wrong direction perhaps? Perhaps they should have been more bold and decided to split the job into two. Ranger would be more like what we see now in 3.0 but stripped down to remove that clunky feel, try and get that fluid motion that BLM has to their skills. The other side could be Bard which would be similar to 2.00 Bard but PUSH the support side.

I'm just bouncing round ideas off the top of my head here, i'm well aware that they never wanted to do the whole "split class" thing again, but i feel like they missed a trick here.

[Hydrium]

Ranger is that way ---->
The problem with BRD is too many ppl rolled ARC to be Legolas. All of the complaints about BRD have been rooted in Legolas syndrome since 1.0. If SE made a ranger job we wouldnt be hearing so much whine about the same ole deepz topic.

Brd is about utility and damage support. Its role is auxiliary rather than primary. A great bard makes a raid buttery smooth.

Did you just reference Legolas in 2015?

[RiceisNice]

I actually think there is a measure of truth here.

Did SE try and shove two sets of skills and ideas from two different classes into one?

Did SE take Bard in the wrong direction perhaps? Perhaps they should have been more bold and decided to split the job into two. Ranger would be more like what we see now in 3.0 but stripped down to remove that clunky feel, try and get that fluid motion that BLM has to their skills. The other side could be Bard which would be similar to 2.00 Bard but PUSH the support side.

I'm just bouncing round ideas off the top of my head here, i'm well aware that they never wanted to do the whole "split class" thing again, but i feel like they missed a trick here.

This is what I feel they've done goofed here, at least on the perspective of WM+BRD versus GB+MCH. If they wanted MCH to compete with bard as a "ranged support" or "physical ranged" class, that's fine. Don't homogenize their gameplay too. I mean realistically speaking with the way they design content, an ideal composition will always require a bard or a machinist for regen, especially in cutting edge progression, so I don't think a "pure dps" route that foregoes the support aspect would have solved anything.

Honestly that's probably a bad route to go too; if anything even if they were to make a ranger class and give them WM, they'd still have the same problem of functionality because they still have archer skills and traits. That means river of blood, bloodletter, straighter shots and all that jazz. Not to mention you'd be hard pressed to make adjustments to ranger that would not directly affect bard (much like trying to balance SMN's dps without affecting SCH)

There's nothing wrong with trying to build upon a class with new skills or gameplay changes, but it needs to keep in mind of their previous toolkit and that the addition is both functional and works with how they were previously designed.

[Warlyx]

SE is giving away support skills to other jobs (see Drg with BL )....

every job has "support" skills in one form or another , but the only jobs that give up dmg for it are BRD and MCH.

there will never be a full support in FFXIV . thats why we have an Archer that "sometimes" uses a harp to sing a song that regen MP or TP....

i said it before , but we are bards only 5% of time....if u are solo u arent singing , if u are in party w/o mage , and no need for MP/TP regen u arent a Bard....u are just Archer that is handcuffed because u potentially use that songs in other situations...in the meantime enjoy your lower Weapon DMG and casting shots.

Its like removing jumps from drg , or removing ninjutsu spells when ninjas are solo or in certain light partys.

Even in some full partys the BARD songs arent even needed.

[Katchoo]

Honestly that's probably a bad route to go too; if anything even if they were to make a ranger class and give them WM, they'd still have the same problem of functionality because they still have archer skills and traits. That means river of blood, bloodletter, straighter shots and all that jazz. Not to mention you'd be hard pressed to make adjustments to ranger that would not directly affect bard (much like trying to balance SMN's dps without affecting SCH)

Oh yeah i totally agree, i mean for it to work they would have to do a total class/job redesign to align all those abilities.