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    guys how about ACC in A1-3
    how many?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyfrost View Post
    My question after reading your guide on the rotation part is, is it still better to use fire IV on enochian rather than *hope you get lucky* fire I with firestarter proc? And use blizz IV to refresh the duration in-between and fill MP. Or do I keep using tier IV spells while on enochian and only use the lesser to refresh astral/umbral like stated?

    Thank you.
    Your goal is to get the maximum number of F4 casts inside each rotation, which would be four in normal circumstances. 2xF4 - F1 - 2xF4 is the normal rotation you should keep in mind while practicing. It's also possible to do F4 - F1 - 3xF4, if needed. The knowledge when to use all those small variations or when to cut or not to cut your rotation short comes with practice and experience.

    This got me thinking, though. Firestarter proc under AF3 and Eno is 181,44 PPS and F4 is 176,4. In the few situations when you have FS up but not the time to use it before Eno refresh, would it be worth it to use FS instead of F4?

    Quote Originally Posted by waifugenerator View Post
    Aikaal, is there a minimum spellspeed for your rotation? I'm at around 640 right now and there's not really any wiggle room. I'm also having trouble understanding when to use Thunder/Thundercloud
    There isn't one, but the combination of maintaining two independent timers makes it very strict by nature. Extra SS will help for sure, but you're gonna need a ton of it to fit in anything extra.

    TC in ice would be the best scenario, but you can swap one F4 out for one, if the dot doesn't get clipped too much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teeratong View Post
    guys how about ACC in A1-3
    how many?
    About 500(?) for 1 and 2, and 530 for 3. It's quite low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    Firestarter proc under AF3 and Eno is 181,44 PPS and F4 is 176,4. In the few situations when you have FS up but not the time to use it before Eno refresh, would it be worth it to use FS instead of F4?
    That would happen in the second rotation mainly. Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
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    That would happen in the second rotation mainly. Thoughts?
    Remember the potency per second changes based on how much spellspeed you have and if you have Ley Lines up, as 2.5 second castspellspells scale differently with those compared to 3.0 second cast times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
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    That would happen in the second rotation mainly. Thoughts?
    If it's one or the other, go for Firestarter. More PPS, more mobility, shorter rotation so more consistent Enochian refresh if there were or would be an interrupt. As you said it's mainly a rotation 2 thing, rotation 3 you can always (if you weren't interrupted somewhere) get it off after Enochian drops off, rotation 1 is just super long if it's not the opener.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    Firestarter proc under AF3 and Eno is 181,44 PPS and F4 is 176,4. In the few situations when you have FS up but not the time to use it before Eno refresh, would it be worth it to use FS instead of F4?
    PPS can be misleading when you compare spells with different cast times, especially when the difference is that small.

    The PPS of that AF/UI cycle would be higher casting the F4 (by about 1/5 of a percent). But in almost any fight except Faust, I'll take that tiny loss to avoid the chance of having to interrupt a F4.
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