Loot system suggestions, thoughts, and your opinion!

[sirDarts]

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1) The amount of data required for the "highest ilvl in given slot" is SUPER SMALL, AND only needs to update in VERY specific situations, not every 15s like our inventory is. So no, it would not add noticeable server stress and it would DEFINITELY not add DELAY, because that's NOT how delay works...

2) It's NOT about me losing a roll! It's about making it fair. You ONLY need gear when it's an upgrade for your current job! In every other situation (desynth, glamour, alts, etc) you just want it, and thus you should GREED on it. It levels the playing field, it's taking away advantage from players that don't need the advantage.

[Eidolon]

2) It's NOT about me losing a roll! It's about making it fair. You ONLY need gear when it's an upgrade for your current job! In every other situation (desynth, glamour, alts, etc) you just want it, and thus you should GREED on it. It levels the playing field, it's taking away advantage from players that don't need the advantage.

Player A is level 32 BLM. He needs EXP to get up to his next quest and to continue his story advancement. Knowing that dungouns are good exp and a fun way to learn the class as well as a shot at gear he can use, he que's for Brayflox. He gets a que with Player B.
Player B is level 50 BLM And recently saw people wearing the Battlemage attire. He likes the way it looks and wants to glamor it over his end-game gear, which he honestly can't stand the design of. He que's for Brayflox. He gets a que with Player A.


By your system:
Player A gets:
Sole lotting rights on items.
EXP from the dungoun
an extra DPS to help him clear the dungoun - or in a more extreme circumstance, an extra /HEALER/ as they can also lot on the gear, a much more vital role.

Player B gets:
Absolutely nothing. He gets to waste 30 minutes of his time helping someone when his whole reason to que in was to try and get item drops.

Under the current system:
Player A gets EXP as well as people from the que to join him.
Player B gets a shot at gear as well as gets to help out a fresher player.

Do you see the issue with your system? Do you see the problem with trying to lock people out of items? There might not be an immediate que for them. Heck, tank/healers might not que specifically for that one (my freinds and I did for a time) and just choose to do it unsynched instead of giving you the opportunity at that potential que.

It's a give-and-take. Everyone goes there seeking something. Everyone deserves an equal opportunity.

[sirDarts]

It's a give-and-take. Everyone goes there seeking something. Everyone deserves an equal opportunity.

That's the thing, the current system is NOT an equal opportunity.

If the item is a clear upgrade for the lower level player, then he clearly needs it more than the higher level player.
If the item is not an upgrade for the lower level player, then they should bot have the same chance on getting the item.

Yes, that's also not perfectly fair, the only fair system would be "All Greed", but it's more fair than the current system.

[Yukiko]

Why everyone have to roll on the SAME?
What if every players gets loot?
Boss chest = 6 pieces possible, each player rolls a dice and gets the gear the dice is showing.
to stop adding RNG on top of an other RNG makes it insta getting is wrong thought...

Edit:
Player 1 rolls a 2 -> getting gear from slot 2
Player 2 rolls a 5 -> getting gear from slot 5
Player 3 rolls a 2 -> getting gear from slot 2
Player 4 rolls a 4 -> getting gear from slot 4

I am getting sick of that timesink, when did SE stop making games and is focusing only on timesink?

[Eidolon]

That's the thing, the current system is NOT an equal opportunity.

If the item is a clear upgrade for the lower level player, then he clearly needs it more than the higher level player.
If the item is not an upgrade for the lower level player, then they should bot have the same chance on getting the item.

Yes, that's also not perfectly fair, the only fair system would be "All Greed", but it's more fair than the current system.

Do you understand the definition of equal?

You're saying you want to give UNEQUAL opportunity to people 'because they need it for upgrade.' That's 110% UNEQUAL. You are not even able to try and spin this any other way - because literally, you are denying one person a fair chance when they went there seeking the same item.

You are trying to say its hould be made uneven 'because someone needs it /more/', you're not being objective - you're lookign at it subjectively as a player with a lower item level because you feel your need overwrites the wishes and desires of everyone else.


The system right now is equal. The only inequality exists in cross-class, I.e. someone went BLM and wants to lot on tank stuff. And you know what? That's fine to me too, because if you want an item for your other class... GO AS THAT CLASS.

SEriously, I've never seen anyone try so hard to defend inequality. Objectively, this system is as fair as it gets.

[Sapphic]

1) The amount of data required for the "highest ilvl in given slot" is SUPER SMALL, AND only needs to update in VERY specific situations, not every 15s like our inventory is. So no, it would not add noticeable server stress and it would DEFINITELY not add DELAY, because that's NOT how delay works...

You forgot the part of checking every item slot in every retainer too.

2) It's NOT about me losing a roll! It's about making it fair. You ONLY need gear when it's an upgrade for your current job! In every other situation (desynth, glamour, alts, etc) you just want it, and thus you should GREED on it. It levels the playing field, it's taking away advantage from players that don't need the advantage.

It is already fair for everyone, if you are on the correct job, you can need it. If you aren't you can greed it.

Just because Glamor isn't "your" endgame, doesn't mean that others cannot have a different playstyle to yours and to them glamor is more important and the do need it. Present system is fair for all playstyles, your idea puts one playstyle above all others. Which is the definition of unfair.

But, it will never get implemented so your screaming and shouting at people that disagree with you is pointless, just like your idea

[sirDarts]

You forgot the part of checking every item slot in every retainer too.

That's the thing, you don't need to! You only change this number when the player gets an upgrade for the slot.
The only possible time where you would have to check the retainers' inventory is when the player discards or sells his highest ilvl item for the given slot/job. Which is an incredibly rare occurrence and doesn't happen during times where you need a fast response from the server anyways.

It is already fair for everyone, if you are on the correct job, you can need it. If you aren't you can greed it.

Just because Glamor isn't "your" endgame, doesn't mean that others cannot have a different playstyle to yours and to them glamor is more important and the do need it. Present system is fair for all playstyles, your idea puts one playstyle above all others. Which is the definition of unfair.

But, it will never get implemented so your screaming and shouting at people that disagree with you is pointless, just like your idea

So explain to me:
How is your glamour more valuable than my glamour for an alt (or even for my main but I get it while running the dungeon with my alt)?
How is your glamour more valuable than my upgrade for an alt?
How is your glamour more valuable than my desynth?
How is your glamour more valuable than my GC seals?
How is your glamour more valuable than my glamour if I want to get a caster robe for my DoW glam?

IMO it's not, all these cases have the SAME value. Hence why they should have the same chance of acquirement.


As for your "don't complaing, it won't change": If we don't complain, there is a 100% chance it won't change. Us complaining makes this chance lower, be it by 10%, 1% or 0.1%, it's still worth it.
If people wouldn't have complained during 1.x, this game would be DEAD by now.

[Waeksyn]

So explain to me:
How is your glamour more valuable than my glamour for an alt (or even for my main but I get it while running the dungeon with my alt)?
How is your glamour more valuable than my upgrade for an alt?
How is your glamour more valuable than my desynth?
How is your glamour more valuable than my GC seals?
How is your glamour more valuable than my glamour if I want to get a caster robe for my DoW glam?

IMO it's not, all these cases have the SAME value. Hence why they should have the same chance of acquirement.

You're absolutely right! All of these are equal and that is what the system does now. You can greed on anything. If you want to focus on a particular job for the drops, then go as that job. Same as everyone else.

You also have another option if the existing system seems so brutally unfair to you. Use PF and set it to greed only. I'm sure people will flock to join that share your view of the unfairness of the normal rule.

The existing method is perfect. No need for change. Move along, nothing to see here.

[sirDarts]

You're absolutely right! All of these are equal and that is what the system does now. You can greed on anything. If you want to focus on a particular job for the drops, then go as that job. Same as everyone else.

The existing method is perfect. No need for change. Move along, nothing to see here.

That's the thing. I don't focus on it, and even if I did, I also run Leveling roulette with my alt, but it drops randomly.

And guess what most people also don't focus on the drops, they just need because they CAN, and that's the biggest problem.

[Eidolon]

So explain to me:
How is your glamour more valuable than my glamour for an alt (or even for my main but I get it while running the dungeon with my alt)?
How is your glamour more valuable than my upgrade for an alt?
How is your glamour more valuable than my desynth?
How is your glamour more valuable than my GC seals?
How is your glamour more valuable than my glamour if I want to get a caster robe for my DoW glam?

IMO it's not, all these cases have the SAME value. Hence why they should have the same chance of acquirement.

No one ever said it is, but.


If you want glamor for an alt (or even for your main job but you get it while running the dungoun with your alt) - you should go as the job.
If you want glamor to upgrade your alt - you should go as the job.
[If you want the item for desynth - you should go as the job.
If you want the item for GC Seals - you should go as the job.
If you want to get a caster robe for your DoW glam (Which let's be fair is only pre-50 dungouns, post-50 gear you can't cross-glam like that) - You should go as the job.

So you're right. No one's denying you the opportunity to do any of these. You have the same value as anyone else.

but you need to go as the job to be entitled to that right.