#nofunallowed

[Iagainsti]

Why not "get a life"; read a be book, go to the gym, pick up a hobby, etc. Fill your downtime with RL activities and log in for your statics/ crafting/gathering. I myself will only do the pvp roulette. Already have my eso wep, kinda a fool me once(myth tomes) shame on you. Next patch this stuff will be too easy to get. Savage Alex is enough for me

[Gunspec]

A: you can edit your posts to add however much length you want.

B: while it IS whining, you've got a point. The "fun" features that you mentioned have all been poorly implemented.

2.X sightseeing had such tight restrictions (coupled with some horrible translations for hints) that I doubt anyone hit 100% on 2.X locations without searching for help online. The goal should have been to BOOST immersion, not force players to check online to see what other people had discovered. And for anyone that says you SHOULD do them without outside help... vista 067 says hello. Even knowing how to do that one, the jump took me dozens of tries. I never would have assumed the location was possible to reach if I hadn't seen a video online of someone performing it.

Triple Triad has a lot going for it, but lots of mismanagement as well. You have the "tournament" where cheaters operate in the open and the devs are oblivious to WHY the tournament is not working. You have insane RNG for certain cards that require you to spend tons of MGP just to fill in one or two blank spots in your collection. You can easily drop enough MGP to buy Fenrir, and still not get the missing NON-TRADABLE cards. You've also got a 3-star restriction on your own hand, even when playing against friends, because more restrictions = more fun, right? And let's not forget a drop rate in 3.0 card duels that is so low, I didn't realize there WERE new cards to win from NPCs until I read about it online. 5-10 wins against every new 3.0 npc, and I didn't see a single card, yet I get a griffin card from Dusk Vigil about 50% of the time.

Chocobo racing is a cool idea, but the lag there is so terrible most days that there doesn't seem to be a point in trying. Also, spend your MGP on leveling up your chocobo, rather than spending it on cool gold saucer prizes. Why do the two main gold saucer events eat up so much MGP? Let me buy card packs and rank 3 food with gil, and spend my MGP points on the fun things.

And that jumbo cactpot. Check out the achievements on that sucker. Now consider that SOMEONE on the dev team thought that the achievements felt about right. Either you score a 1/10,000 chance once, a 1/1000 chance ten times, or a 1/100 chance one hundred times. TWO YEARS of winning a 1/100 chance roll each week, and there are TWO achievement titles (moneybags and high-roller) gated behind it. Who thought that was a good idea?

So yeah, it isn't that this game is anti-fun. It's that there are little things that make fun activities needlessly tedious, and the devs need to think more about this when they try to implement something "fun". If the 3.0 sightseeing log is any indication, they have gotten a LOT better with this. They also say there will be many changes and tweaks to Gold Saucer in 3.1, so I'm hoping to see some of the tedium lifted. Fingers are crossed.

Why not "get a life"; read a be book, go to the gym, pick up a hobby, etc.

Pick up a hobby? I know this might be weird, but you realize we are talking about a video game, right?

[LunaHoshino]

That's just like, your opinion, man. I've had lots of fun with the Sightseeing Log and Chocobo Racing and I plan to start getting into Triple Triad more seriously once I finally get 30 cards (almost there...!).

If you view everything as being a grind and treat it like one, then of course it's going to seem like one. You don't have to have/do everything right away-- space it out and do stuff when you feel like it. Things aren't going to go away if you don't get them within a certain amount of time.

[D-vide]

That's just like, your opinion, man. I've had lots of fun with the Sightseeing Log and Chocobo Racing and I plan to start getting into Triple Triad more seriously once I finally get 30 cards (almost there...!).

If you view everything as being a grind and treat it like one, then of course it's going to seem like one. You don't have to have/do everything right away-- space it out and do stuff when you feel like it. Things aren't going to go away if you don't get them within a certain amount of time.

You certainly have a good point. I do however think that, even if you space TT or SS out, the fact that they're based on RNG makes it grindy. They turn into tedious tasks which they shouldn't have to be.

[D-vide]

So yeah, it isn't that this game is anti-fun. It's that there are little things that make fun activities needlessly tedious, and the devs need to think more about this when they try to implement something "fun". If the 3.0 sightseeing log is any indication, they have gotten a LOT better with this. They also say there will be many changes and tweaks to Gold Saucer in 3.1, so I'm hoping to see some of the tedium lifted. Fingers are crossed.

I think this voices excactly how I feel. Also, the sightseeing log in 3.0 was a significant improvement. Also, with the news that they are going to adjust the quest types, things seem to be very good. I'm just a little bit more careful about being excited. They've anounced stuff before that sounded fun which turned out to be a chore. Let's just hope for the best

[Evergrey]

If you disagree then go read something else for a while and come back

Actually that is a common thing people tend to do when they are not having fun when playing. People do get burned out from time to time and require a break to find it enjoyable again. I too have taken breaks now and then when I don't find it fun at that moment.

[Eye_Gore]

Actually that is a common thing people tend to do when they are not having fun when playing. People do get burned out from time to time and require a break to find it enjoyable again. I too have taken breaks now and then when I don't find it fun at that moment.

GTAV, nothing like mowing down people on sidewalks for no reason, takes the edge off.

[LunaHoshino]

You certainly have a good point. I do however think that, even if you space TT or SS out, the fact that they're based on RNG makes it grindy. They turn into tedious tasks which they shouldn't have to be.

My attitude with TT cards has basically been "I'm not doing anything else at the moment, I'll do a few runs of X and see if the card drops." If it does, great, but if not, I'm not going to tear my hair out over it. I'll just give it another shot on a different day.

I've managed to amass a large number of the dropped cards that way without it ever feeling like a grind at all, because I stop grinding when I start getting tired of it.

[D-vide]

Actually that is a common thing people tend to do when they are not having fun when playing. People do get burned out from time to time and require a break to find it enjoyable again. I too have taken breaks now and then when I don't find it fun at that moment.

Most certainly agreed. This comment however misinterprets my post. Ad hominems are not contributing to the point I'm trying to make.

[Reinha]

The sightseeing log was a big waste for the team. . . . They made some great spots and lore surrounding it, but you had to grind them out.

Then we got Triple Triad. . . . I grinded like a full month for that.

Everything is big grind now, not everything has to be a big grind for a game to be successful and sustainable.

So you grind through all the casual pastime content and then complain everything is a grind? I bet if they added platforming puzzles you would grind those out too and complain more. Here's an idea. Don't forcibly grind through pastime content when it get's released and you won't get tired of it.

(Side note: the team also needs to stop making skimpy outfits all the time. Seriously, 70% of the glamours is either bathing suits, summer tops, skimpy dresses, amulets or Taffeta stuff)

Like 99% of actual battle gear covers the player head to toe. When people ask for skimpy battle gear, they are buried in angry responses how that kind of clothes should only be glamour items. This is the natural result of that line of thinking. Simply reducing the relative amount of skimpy glamour is not going to fly, because a lot of players like that style of clothing and they want new options just like anyone else. So which is it: do you want new skimpy designs to be glamour items or combat gear?