Astrologian is in a good position right now.

[Luvbunny]

Well, I love AST, it's fun to play. I also have level 53 WHM and level 60 SCH, that's just in one character out of 4 I can tell you this, SCH is WAY WAY WAY WAY better than AST ever hope to be. As much as AST is quite fun with the quick thinking cards, the buffs are so negligible due to the randomness factor. As it is now, a good SCH can literally destroy AST when it comes to abilities and benefits to the party, there is almost no point at all bringing AST when you have a solid SCH + WHM combo in your static.

Putting aside the healing issue of AST, which is, let's be honest, capable, but it is nowhere near the USEFULNESS of WHM or SCH in a party. The biggest glaring issue of AST is there is absolutely no uniqueness of this job that is setting it apart from the other two healers or the other buffers. What SE should do is focusing on the card buffs abilities, and REALLY tweak that and make it the strongest selling point. I will be fine with the current healing capability, which is decent and serviceable for content. But please, make the card buffs a whole lot more powerful if it is going to be random. Or keep it as it is, but let me CHOOSE which buffs I want to give and get rid of its randomness.

When you are able to control the exact buffs you want to give to the party member, AST becomes quite valuable to the party, to the point that bringing 2 AST can replace the need of having bard in you party slot

[Vlady]

Actually 73 and do you not count how many pages are dedicated to whining about a job that has cleared all content that is taken to a level beyond anything I have ever seen before even counting the death knight overpowered wave on wow?

Just go and actually look at the the pages talk about. It is mainly about card related issues the last 20 pages I looked at with issues of range and royal road. Just today alone is almost 20 pages of astrologian bashing in the english forums with new threads popping up every 5 minutes. I have no problems with helping against the range issue via altering shuffle to not have a double draw.

[Assirra]

Then I apologize if it was not you. I believe you and will not waste my time to go back back through 3 days of my posts. To claim I fabricate information when people claim that the Japanese forums are also up in arms about the astro job is a bending of the truth. Most of those posts were pre buffs weeks back and it has died down to barely a whisper of what crap goes on here.

Can you count?
Look at how many pages upon pages that thread gets daily.
People are talking how they love AST but don't want to be a burden to their team.
Really, do you honestly not understand that you are solo in your crusade and you are only annoying people at this point?

[GideonHighmourn]

Actually 73 and do you not count how many pages are dedicated to whining about a job that has cleared all content

Also false. AST still hasn't been taken to an A3S clear or A4S attempt, AFAIK.

When will you understand?

It's not AST vs Content

It's AST vs WHM/SCH

[Luvbunny]

When will you understand? It's not AST vs Content. It's AST vs WHM/SCH

AMEN! Indeed that is true. AST abilities are totally subpar when you compare it to WHM or SCH. They are so bad, it's not even worth discussing it here. Their healing spells are "capable" and doable but compared to the tools and utilities of WHM or SCH, AST is beyond laughable. It's like, " I want to be a healer, but I have so limited healing tool kit", "I want to be a buffer, but the buffs are so negligible and so random" = translate to AST is neither a good healer to replace WHM or SCH in your static or any endgame content, nor it is a good buffer to justify not having a bard in your party slot. In conclusion, AST is subpar half baked unfinished job that is CAPABLE for content of level 50 and under, but seriously LACKING for content level 50 and above.

[Vlady]

Also false. AST still hasn't been taken to an A3S clear or A4S attempt, AFAIK.

When will you understand?

It's not AST vs Content

It's AST vs WHM/SCH

Uhm ok so astro has not been taken to As3. It has cleared all content so far and will clear that given the nature of the beast that is progression break through. Just because the top 2-3 static teams want to stick with what they know best which is the white/scholar combo does not invalidate my post. Astro is clearing Savage modes and has cleared all previous content in the past. Also on the Japanese forums they are talking about the live letter in August to discuss the astrologian so we will ultimately see what SE thinks should be the road the astro travels on.

[Parawill]

Uhm ok so astro has not been taken to As3. It has cleared all content so far and will clear that given the nature of the beast that is progression break through. Just because the top 2-3 static teams want to stick with what they know best which is the white/scholar combo does not invalidate my post. Astro is clearing Savage modes and has cleared all previous content in the past. Also on the Japanese forums they are talking about the live letter in August to discuss the astrologian so we will ultimately see what SE thinks should be the road the astro travels on.

Yeah they are, but that's because the topic shifted from feedback to the lack of communication between the developers and the players. I reached out to the Japan Language Forums earlier today too give them perspective to the English Forum's opinion versus their opinion, and not surprisingly it's parallel.

こんにちは。僕は日本語をしゃべれないけれど、友達に翻訳を頼んでもらいました。

掲示板にて記載されていたAlexanderボス戦（ハードモード）の占星術ジョブについて話せたら良いなと思います。http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ring-A1-Savage この掲示板は英語で書かれていますが、グーグルの翻訳機能が多分役に立つと思います。 （僕はそれで日本語の掲示板を読む事ができました）ここに記載されている情報が占星術の今後の方向性を決める上で、役に立つと思います。
情報の共有や一緒に占星術について話しましょう！
よろしくお願いします。

Hello, I am from the English Forums and do not speak Japanese, but a friend helped me translate. I would just like to share with you this forum thread about Astrologians in Alexander Hard Mode (Savage in NA, Hard mode in Japan) Unfortunately it is in English, but Google Translate helps as it did for me when I read everyone's thoughts in this thread. I hope this helps provide insight as to which direction we can go to help devs with Astrologians! Let's think together! Thanks you/Nice to meet you.

parawillさま、ありがとうございます。
Thank you so much for providing us the information.

英語の掲示板も読んでいますが、考えていることはすごく近いですし、私達も早く改善されることを心から願っています。
I read [their] opinion and feedback(healer Roles BBS). It is similar to our opinion, and We hope to be improved status of Astro as soon as possible.

ですが、今一番重要な問題は、運営から返事が一切ないことです。
But now, the biggest problem is that there is no answer from the dev.

8月22日にプロデューサーレターライブがありますので、そこで何かしらの告知を期待したいと思います。
PLL will broadcast Aug 22 at 8:00 p.m. (PDT). I hope any answer from the dev.



Thank you

運営は何か回答を・・・なにとぞ・・・

As for the "card discussion" in the Japan AST-Megathread, you do realize unlike the English Forums, their mega-thread is basically all of our fragmented threads combined into one? Topics change throughout the pages. There is tons of talk in regards to their healing, and at the moment they're trying to figure out how to make their utility not so lack-luster. In addition to this, it's not only limited to the card itself. Disable is something that arises often in that thread, and it being consumed by an auto-attack makes it not so great at all. L

[MidnightTundra]

As I said I do not like math but Benfic II with bonus from stance is 640 potency + 500 potency instant cast shield/heal every 5 seconds. Fairy 300 potency has its own formula which is not the same as the caster itself and has been clocked more along the lines of 150 potency and adlo which is 300 potency cure and 300 shield I think wish is roughly 750 potency.

SCH pet is around 200 potency (I've noticed that she is directly half my physick). Rouse increases this by 40%.

AST in Noct Stance: Bene 2 is 651 potency (620 * 1.05) and A. Bene is 525 ((250 * 2) * 1.05). Following up A. Benefic after Bene II is incredibly inefficient for your mana usage. A Sch casting Physick with pet will out cure AST in those 2 GCDs (This is ignoring Rouse/Fey).

[Vlady]

SCH pet is around 200 potency (I've noticed that she is directly half my physick). Rouse increases this by 40%.

AST in Noct Stance: Bene 2 is 651 potency (620 * 1.05) and A. Bene is 525 ((250 * 2) * 1.05). Following up A. Benefic after Bene II is incredibly inefficient for your mana usage. A Sch casting Physick with pet will out cure AST in those 2 GCDs (This is ignoring Rouse/Fey).

I did not even mention Benefic. I spoke of aspected.

カードにランダム性を残すなら、
ベストケースでバランスとらないで中央値付近でバランスとって
ベストケースなら多少ヒャッホイ状態でも良いと思うんだけどね。

ドローやシャッフルもカードかぶったら性能倍になるとかしちゃえば
あらためて迷えるのに。

ランダムを楽しむってそういうことだと思うんだけどな。
今のランダムは楽しみじゃなくて嫌がらせに近い印象が先に来ちゃう。

Seems more like discussing cards to me.

見ていて、「あ、これいいな」と思ったのでそれから自分でちょっと考えてみました。

カードですが、現状他人に投げる事でその人のみに効果があります(ロイヤルロードでの範囲化除く)
以前自分の書き込みで、「カード効果は確定効果+現状のカード効果」にしたらいいんじゃないか、
というのを投稿したのですがそれの発展系となりますが、

・カードを投げたら投げた相手には現状のカード効果 占星術本体に別種のバフが入る（自分にカードを投げた場合は入らない）
（例として、世界樹/アーゼマは「回復力UP」 ハルオーネ/オシュオンは「詠唱速度微UP ビエルゴ/サリャクは「MP微回復」 等）
回復力UPはディバインの1/2位、詠唱UPはフェアリのクリ出た時位、MP回復はサリャクの1/2位とか。
特性でカード複合は高レベルになってからでもいいかもです。
特殊クエ追加でもやりますよ…ちょーがんばりますよ。

とにかく、何度も出てますがランダム性と現状のFF14のコンテンツの相性が悪すぎる訳で…。
それでも多分、この「カードを引いてランダムで引いたカードで対応する」というのは大きく変えれない思うのです。
もうそこまで変えたら別の職作るのと変わらない手間だろうし。
そうなるとやっぱり、カードを複合効果にして自分自身のヒール能力やMP持続能力を補いたいなーと。
上記場合はヒーラーとして最低限動きたいという気持ちからですが。
60時点で50時代と変わらないヒール能力っていうのは、自分も周りもつらいのですよ…。

More discussion of cards over healing strengths... Last 5 pages alone almost all are discussing use of cards.

[Luvbunny]

Well, because the CARDS is AST uniqueness - so SE should make the cards to be VERY GOOD OVERPOWERED buffs that blows SCH and WHM buffs out of the water. The healing potency is totally fine, they are serviceable. Light speed need to last longer and on lower cooldown, so that it can be our 'OH Shyait, gotta babysit dumb DPS" hot button. Luminous Aether need to be in 60 seconds cooldown. We also need to be able to MOVE around when casting Collective spell. Otherwise, buff the cards and their duration and AST will be just fine.