Something need to be done about BAD DPS.

[Jim_Berry]

Newsflash: that's not the case. Because that guy that's not doing as much damage as you, or even as much as another DPS, might actually be doing mechanics and helping the party to avoid a wipe, y'know.

I remember when I was a BRD back when the Ex Primals of Garuda, Ifrit, and Titan were a thing. Only me and the PLD were left while fighting Ifrit. Just as I lost my last bit of HP, Ifrit died from a tick of my Venomous Bite. Instead of cheers, the BLM said "he'd been dead if ur dmg didnt suck" lol... Although my damage was probably low, my survival rate was extremely high compared to the other DPS. Oh well!

[Gilraen]

I remember when I was a BRD back when the Ex Primals of Garuda, Ifrit, and Titan were a thing. Only me and the PLD were left while fighting Ifrit. Just as I lost my last bit of HP, Ifrit died from a tick of my Venomous Bite. Instead of cheers, the BLM said "he'd been dead if ur dmg didnt suck" lol... Although my damage was probably low, my survival rate was extremely high compared to the other DPS. Oh well!

Differences in mindsets... that kind of win would have me cheering, the elation of snatching victory from defeat is second to none.

[CrimsonThunder]

I swear the mindset here makes me think of my primary school playground days. If you wanted to play football but you weren't very good at it then you didn't get to play football because the other kids said so.

Let's say you get your 'lock'....how many subscriptions get lost because a less skilful is hit by a wall designed for only the better 10%? Suddenly people don't wanna play.

Then you come screaming on the forums that the game is dead.

This is a social game designed to try and appease everyone. Just....deal with it or move on.

[Assirra]

I swear the mindset here makes me think of my primary school playground days. If you wanted to play football but you weren't very good at it then you didn't get to play football because the other kids said so.

Let's say you get your 'lock'....how many subscriptions get lost because a less skilful is hit by a wall designed for only the better 10%? Suddenly people don't wanna play.

Then you come screaming on the forums that the game is dead.

This is a social game designed to try and appease everyone. Just....deal with it or move on.

But doesn't that work both ways?

Maybe some people want to play with others that actually know the very basics from their job?

Or do these people not count with "everyone"?

Also, the blame here is on SE for making this kind of content in the first place. The players that actually want to clear it are the ones seeing the issue and just speaking out.

[Krindor]

I swear the mindset here makes me think of my primary school playground days. If you wanted to play football but you weren't very good at it then you didn't get to play football because the other kids said so.

Let's say you get your 'lock'....how many subscriptions get lost because a less skilful is hit by a wall designed for only the better 10%? Suddenly people don't wanna play.

Then you come screaming on the forums that the game is dead.

This is a social game designed to try and appease everyone. Just....deal with it or move on.

But no one would like to play football with a kid that plays it with their hands instead of their feet. That's closer to the truth than skill level, if they would just look up what football is they would stop playing with their hands and probably do much better.


Also the lock wouldn't be for the 10%, it would be at the level needed to beat the content, for current Alex I would say around 1k DPS for most DPS, less for BRD/MCH as this is more or less the lowest acceptable DPS to beat the fights and if you can't be over it you have no reason at all to be in Alex as you will be the reason it fails over and over again. Depending on class 1000 DPS is easily reachable by spending 30 min reading about the class and 1-2 hours practicing.

[Erim-Nelhah]

Also the lock wouldn't be for the 10%, it would be at the level needed to beat the content, for current Alex I would say around 1k DPS for most DPS, less for BRD/MCH as this is more or less the lowest acceptable DPS to beat the fights and if you can't be over it you have no reason at all to be in Alex as you will be the reason it fails over and over again. Depending on class 1000 DPS is easily reachable by spending 30 min reading about the class and 1-2 hours practicing.

I hope you mean Alex Savage.....1k dps in Alex Normal is waaaaaay overkill. Heck, I can probably do enough DPS as a DRK DPS to clear it (normal) easy.

--Erim Nelhah

[Colt47]

Well, the test I often do in a party that seems to be wiping on Alexander sometimes is to avoid over optimizing my damage output on my paladin for one round of the boss fight. If the change in dps from me not switching to sword stance in a single phase is enough to cuase the party to not be able to get past that phase, then the DPS aren't pushing hard enough and there's no point to trying to tank a for a group that is basically dragging it's feet.

I would never do this in an extreme fight, but given how easy it is to get eased into 170-180 gear right now before even stepping foot into Alexander normal, something is horribly wrong if a group has to struggle on phase 3 of the Living Liquid boss due to damage output.

-----More thoughts----

Honestly, part of the problem with low DPS is that a lot of people who run into a low dps character are on a time table. They expect a dungeon / raid to be finished within a specific amount of time, so they leave and it generates a lot of animosity.