Vampirism

[jomoru]

I would totally enjoy the concept of a necromancer as a healer. The irony is absolutely delicious.

Necromancer aside, the vampire job in bravely default is a functional blue mage. It might be a feasible workaround to fit the Blue Mage lore within the limits of the Job system though. If vampires do get introduced though, I imagine it would be through Sil'Dih.

Well there was a necromancer class in 5 I think, which was basically "Blue mage for undead". The problem with blue mage in the game is of course it would be too variable or people wouldn't think getting all the same abiilities is a true blue mage.

[liljramos88]

So if white magic and other healers are able to revive the dead so why is necromancy so bad. Is it bc the way they come back?

[Cilia]

So if white magic and other healers are able to revive the dead so why is necromancy so bad. Is it bc the way they come back?

Ehh, I'm going to go with the standard video game logic of "dead party members aren't dead, they're just knocked out" and rez spells just get them back on their feet. Plus, since white magic (etc.) is more or less flavored as druidism in XIV it's a natural sort of thing.

Conversely, necromancy is reviving actual dead people like Teledji. Very unnatural, very not kosher. Remember Severian was barely able to make a potion to revive an actually dead miqo'te woman and it only worked for a few seconds. Pretty much says necromancy is not a good thing.

[Belhi]

I think if we want to talk necromancy we probably need to clarify the undead in FF14. There seems to me to be three varieties:

1. Voidsent possessed corpses - Succubi and probably most of the undead in Haukke Manor

2. Corpses with the souls of the dead bound to them - this seems to be the type of undead we see mostly around Thanalan and in cases like Qarn.

3. Corpses animated with Aether - these undead are basically just corpse puppets driven by the magic infused into the flesh

I think traditional 'Necromancy' would fall under the second category. I think Vampires though would fall under the first. Out of the undead we see its probably the best fit.

[Kaiser-Ace]

I think if we want to talk necromancy we probably need to clarify the undead in FF14. There seems to me to be three varieties:

1. Voidsent possessed corpses - Succubi and probably most of the undead in Haukke Manor

2. Corpses with the souls of the dead bound to them - this seems to be the type of undead we see mostly around Thanalan and in cases like Qarn.

3. Corpses animated with Aether - these undead are basically just corpse puppets driven by the magic infused into the flesh

I think traditional 'Necromancy' would fall under the second category. I think Vampires though would fall under the first. Out of the undead we see its probably the best fit.

Remind me on what an Example of the third would be? We talking Eda's failed experiments in Tam-Tara? Because I'd of thought Quarn's Mummies would have fit category 3 better since they are literal reanimated corpses that are (at least visibly) an unthinking defence mechanism. I agree on things like The Corpse Brigade in Southern Thanalan since they seem to be sentient, thinking, beings. Despite being undead. Though since Vampires are traditionally Demonic in nature I'd be more incline to believe they were Living beings possessed by voidsent presumably via contract. (Assuming they were to exist at all of course) But that's still a simple variant of your form 1.

[myahele]

The closest thing to Vampirism we've seen so far have always been succubus-class demons.

At most I can see a succubus and a willing host work together .... but such things usually end up with the host becoming possessed and lose their free will.

[Belhi]

Remind me on what an Example of the third would be? We talking Eda's failed experiments in Tam-Tara? Because I'd of thought Quarn's Mummies would have fit category 3 better since they are literal reanimated corpses that are (at least visibly) an unthinking defence mechanism. I agree on things like The Corpse Brigade in Southern Thanalan since they seem to be sentient, thinking, beings. Despite being undead. Though since Vampires are traditionally Demonic in nature I'd be more incline to believe they were Living beings possessed by voidsent presumably via contract. (Assuming they were to exist at all of course) But that's still a simple variant of your form 1.

Spoilers from a Job class quest chain in HW:

The undead you fight in the lvl 60 quest are soulless and it is stated by the NPCs during the fight that its is just a husk animated by the taint hence why it won't die until you cleanse the taint within it.

[Balipu]

As far as we know there aren't any vampires yet.

At least we couldn't find anything in my often forgotten poor little thread.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ires-in-Eorzea

Hopefullly 3.1 will bring a change

[liljramos88]

i would love a necromancer class maybe with a scepter as a weapon. anyways wat exactly would be the diff between a necromancer and Black mage doesnt the Black mage use the Void as a energy source. so basicaly Black mages can do necromancy right? i havent done the black mage quest for a long time but wasnt there a coven of them in the far east of necromancers(Black mages playing with the dead). even the THM guild leader sed something about "he was scared of i woulnt make it and he might have to use Necromatic ways" or something to that nature.

BTW please Square give me Necro lol i wana play with the dead

[Kaiser-Ace]

i would love a necromancer class maybe with a scepter as a weapon. anyways wat exactly would be the diff between a necromancer and Black mage doesnt the Black mage use the Void as a energy source. so basicaly Black mages can do necromancy right? i havent done the black mage quest for a long time but wasnt there a coven of them in the far east of necromancers(Black mages playing with the dead). even the THM guild leader sed something about "he was scared of i woulnt make it and he might have to use Necromatic ways" or something to that nature.

BTW please Square give me Necro lol i wana play with the dead

Supposedly it exists in Ul'dah as a secret, highly forbidden, form of Thaumaturgy/Black Magic. In 1.0's Ul'dah story line you actually see the Echo memory of the then Goldsmith Guild Master being "Killed" (Turned out to me much worse than death) for attempting to bring back Ascila's (Aka Minfillia's) father from the grave. No one really knows how, why, or by whom the attempt at necromancy was thwarted but the result was the same. Niellefresne is now in an eternal slumber even beyond the grace of death. Not dead but not truly alive either.