Ninja: Heaven-Sword (And Beyond)

[Subucnimorning]

How much GCD clipping do you need to have before you should swap to Fuma from Raiton? I know I read it in this thread at one time but I can't find it now.

I find that during prime time my lag is pretty crazy and thinking I should Fuma, definitely is significant GCD clipping

[Alahra]

How much GCD clipping do you need to have before you should swap to Fuma from Raiton? I know I read it in this thread at one time but I can't find it now.

I find that during prime time my lag is pretty crazy and thinking I should Fuma, definitely is significant GCD clipping

Prior to HW, there was some testing done on the Japanese side of things that heavily suggested that Fuma is better than Raiton so long as 1) Dancing Edge/Storm's Eye is up and 2) Foe Requiem is not up, regardless of Mudra lag. Given the influx of Skill Speed on our gear at present, I'd be willing to bet that this is still the case, as GCD-clipping becomes more severe the shorter the GCD itself is. If the testing regarding Fuma/Raiton has been disproven, I'm not aware of it.

So generally, you should be able to safely use Fuma unless Dancing Edge is down or Foe Requiem is up, as far as I know.

[Subucnimorning]

Prior to HW, there was some testing done on the Japanese side of things that heavily suggested that Fuma is better than Raiton so long as 1) Dancing Edge/Storm's Eye is up and 2) Foe Requiem is not up, regardless of Mudra lag. Given the influx of Skill Speed on our gear at present, I'd be willing to bet that this is still the case, as GCD-clipping becomes more severe the shorter the GCD itself is. If the testing regarding Fuma/Raiton has been disproven, I'm not aware of it.

So generally, you should be able to safely use Fuma unless Dancing Edge is down or Foe Requiem is up, as far as I know.

Thanks for the advice, I had been basically doing Fuma all the time unless there was downtime from a mechanic then would do Raiton on the downtime.

[Aiurily]

right now unless you can do 14 mudras in the mudra test, probably always fuma if slash debuff is up and foe's isnt

(mudra test=321 then spam mudras, count how many you can do)

[SunnyHirose]

I threw away the results because it was too messy for presentation and many ninja mains kind of suspected this anyway, but when I theorycrafted it in 2.5, shuriken was pretty much always slightly better even in a completely lag-free situation unless (all this IIRC, under the assumption that it is impossible to use Raiton under Huton without clipping GCDs):

- Those odd moments when you are in range for Raiton but not in melee range
- Foe Requiem is up
- Trick Attack is up and using a Kassatsu'd Raiton would not push another skill out of its window (a little complicated! I didn't even want to look at other buffs after that)
- Slashing debuff is down
- Huton is down
- Maybe some skill speed shenanigans, I kinda forgot whether I looked at super low skill speeds
- Low-TP situations

But the difference was really, really minor. I didn't really have a look at the potency of the new stuff, nor did I have to take missed positionals into account. It might be that the results are different if you expect to miss a lot or all of them, since this lowers the potency of the GCD rotation.

[Aiurily]

- Maybe some skill speed shenanigans, I kinda forgot whether I looked at super low skill speeds

there's actual something on this too; in some fuma exclusive rotations at higher skill speeds (around 600), you'd clip your dots by around 1.5s~, vs raiton where you reapply perfectly. probably one of the other reasons i'd use raiton i guess

[Pluvia]

So How much ST damage are you all doing with your new weapons want to compare

[2jays2day]

So How much ST damage are you all doing with your new weapons want to compare

Pulled 1234 on Faust last night. No war, ilvl 190 Baked Papira Pira hq, drac pot hq. My personal best so far. I've been using Raiton consistently tho and I'm going to change to fuma next week to see if I can beat it.

[AlphaDragoon]

So How much ST damage are you all doing with your new weapons want to compare

I did 1198 on Faust on my last run. I'm i189 (can't wear my last accessory due to accuracy concerns), using HQ Black Truffle Risotto and NQ Drac pots (can't afford the good stuff sadly). It might have been higher but my group is still new to Faust, so we killed him after enrage and I died immediately after the tank did.

[2jays2day]

At 556 accuracy I've missed once on one of the prototype adds. You should be fine with your ring at 189.