Something need to be done about BAD DPS.

[Naliee]

I'm too lazy to read whole thread.

I actually wouldn't mind having parser in the game, but not during fights(because people could get kicked/harrassed). Have parser on dummys, then MAYBE some players could be realizing they have their rotations all wrong.

[Zfz]

I'm too lazy to read whole thread.

I actually wouldn't mind having parser in the game, but not during fights(because people could get kicked/harrassed). Have parser on dummys, then MAYBE some players could be realizing they have their rotations all wrong.

The problem with dummy-only parsing is that it creates the illusion that the dummy rotation is the end-all ultimate rotation. We have a MNK in our FC who uses something wildly different to the popular rotations available on the net (as described by our FC master), yet he is as competitive as any in raids. His rotation may not parse as well as the theoretical optimum, but he's doing as well as anyone using the theoretical rotation. Dummy-only parses mean that we're still relying on third-party tools (that may be incorrect) for real fights that matter.

[Stupiduglytaru]

Other day A3 farm in pf, I join and ask if anyone can parse. I can only parse with alt as main is on ps4.

Blm says sure, off we go and kill A3

Blm 952 mch (me) 844 drg 713 mnk 539 tanks 350ish

We enter again, kill get our lot. GG all thanks for the run.

Was the mnk harassed for his low dps? Nope not a single word

Did we replace him? Nope, why should we? We cleared it np

However if we failed the dps check, we could identify the issue and replace.

[Gilraen]

I do believe MeiUshu's point is sirDarts comment, "...called out or kicked or both." instead of say, "...asked about the reason for their performance or if they needed help or both." The former is very much what we don't need in this community, we already get alot of it as it is and we don't even have official parsers. And those running third party parsers, as I've noted, used their numbers exactly how we feared they'd be used. Not even anecdotal, I got parser bashed not too recently in a Duty Fractal run... by the tank. We need to quit acting like self-righteous arses before anything like a parser will be accepted outside of PvP (last time I did Frontlines they did a parse at the end, totally official if vague).

[Zfz]

Blm says sure, off we go and kill A3
Blm 952 mch (me) 844 drg 713 mnk 539 tanks 350ish

I've heard though that A3 is a pain to do on the MNK because something is guaranteed to fall off all the time, or was it some other fight? I can't really remember.

Still, even if that is the case, i.e. encounter mechanics making a specific class always perform at abysmal capacity---not that I'm saying MNKs can't do over 600 on A3, just an example---having an official parser would allow the community to quickly come to that conclusion and provide feedback to the devs.

[Asierid]

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None of this makes any sense. Really. You're just grasping at this point.

This is the thing. You're taking assumptions on a tool that is used across the board in any other game to better ones self and saying that it is not being used for that purpose. Well, yeah. There are people who take items and things out of context to better suit their needs all the time, that's kinda how it is...

I don't NEED a parser to give me justification. The justification is clear as day when someone doesn't want to pull their weight. I don't need a tool that gives numbers to see this in normal content. What I DO need the tool for is the one guy in AS1 or any form of progression that wants to hang back and get carried through Faust (Which is a tank and spank fight on a tight timer BTW. Nothing about mechanics to kill your DPS there.) because he is lazy. Everyone can do their best on that fight because it is basically a straight dummy check. The problem is there is a gray area where we can't do anything because SE hides behind this half-assed ToS statement where if you mention DPS you get flagged like you're going through TSA at an airport (cavity check included). Tanks and Heals have to "take into account the possible factors that happen during a fight" too. You don't see any other person with two hands and eyes failing that test either.

All I want is for you to do the best you can. Sorry, but anything under 600 DPS in this game isn't your best at endgame. You can take that bat and swing it anyway you like in an attempt to save yourself, you're wrong. To say otherwise means you want nothing more than for people who took the time to better themselves, through research and gear grinding, to carry you through content that you have no business being in because you don't want to take the time to go through the motions like everyone else did. Quite frankly, that's not only idiotic considering how easily gear and information is to find, but selfish. Why should you have special treatment over the other 3 people in the group? You're holding us back if anything else.


If you can't keep up with everyone else, you shouldn't be there. Everyone else had to learn and step up to get to where they are, now it's your turn.

Now, to the ending statement, why can't I have this? Because there are people that will mis-use it? Oh, well damn. Might as well take away Gil. We have RMT just handing it out like candy. Delete characters too, people are using bots to take control of their characters, we can't have that. People call people bad names on the forums? Shut it down before it flows into my virgin ears.

Please. Just stop. It's getting redundant and stupid at this point. We're regurgitating an old argument that holds no merit anymore. Just man up and hit more than two keys in your dungeons or stop giving us stupid DPS checks if we have no way to actually check DPS without it being an underground drug deal with the threat of jail time.

EDIT: Oh. BTW, since we mentioned me noticing things during fights and calling them out: Yes. I'm a tank. It's kind of my job to notice these things and make sure it all goes smoothly. Multi-tasking IS a thing, you know.

[Naliee]

The problem with dummy-only parsing is that it creates the illusion that the dummy rotation is the end-all ultimate rotation. We have a MNK in our FC who uses something wildly different to the popular rotations available on the net (as described by our FC master), yet he is as competitive as any in raids. His rotation may not parse as well as the theoretical optimum, but he's doing as well as anyone using the theoretical rotation. Dummy-only parses mean that we're still relying on third-party tools (that may be incorrect) for real fights that matter.

Could still give some idea what rotation might be best if we had dummy parser but yeah, I realize it has that problem as you mentioned.

[sirDarts]

I do believe MeiUshu's point is sirDarts comment, "...called out or kicked or both." instead of say, "...asked about the reason for their performance or if they needed help or both." The former is very much what we don't need in this community, we already get alot of it as it is and we don't even have official parsers. And those running third party parsers, as I've noted, used their numbers exactly how we feared they'd be used. Not even anecdotal, I got parser bashed not too recently in a Duty Fractal run... by the tank. We need to quit acting like self-righteous arses before anything like a parser will be accepted outside of PvP (last time I did Frontlines they did a parse at the end, totally official if vague).

Do you ask people whether they have a parser or not?
I'm sure as hell NOBODY outside of my FC knows I am running one, when I am. Why? Because I don't tell people their numbers, unless they would ask, and I'd likely just tell them to get their own at that point. My main reason for running a parser in low level dungeons (which you can EASILY do with 1 DPS AFK) is to see my OWN DPS and compare it to the rest of the team to see how much difference stuff in my rotation makes.

And that's the thing, you will NEVER know about people who don't abuse the numbers, because you WON'T know they are using a parser.
So your "And those running third party parsers, as I've noted, used their numbers exactly how we feared they'd be used." is nothing but anecdotal evidence without any relevance. You would need to count the total amount of people using parsers and compare it to the total number of people being douches about it.

[SooChe]

This is totally screwed.

dpsers are bad. They continue to rant on the forums that parsers are not needed, people should not be kicked. SE reads the forums where facts are misunderstood because pro players do not post as much. SE continues to nerf anything that they think is too hard, while making "hard = ridiculous grinds". Game becomes too easy where dps checks are not apparent, however bads get carried by trying the df 12475772834 times. They proceed to think that dps checks are trival and parsers are not needed. Then proceeds to attempt harder content and whine that pfs are only looking for farm and "no 100 law". Serious players get 4 bosses every six months or longer.

I have since quitted this trashy game.

[MeiUshu]

@Asieried,

First, dont call me stupid just to disagree with you, your argument in favour of the parser is a non existing argument, in my eyes, and I will, as I see fit, comment on it , but you can stop answering.

Now, I NEVER disputed that people should try to improve, that is normal as a person you shoudl seek to improve BUT the parser in a community as toxic (your answer to my post just shows how true I am about this point) as this one with a mentality that is far from levelled, where people consider themselves superior to anyone else, would just promote the *kick others* for having a bad day, bad connection, playing ina way that helps the group rather then concentrate on numbers, is what I am against. I will still say it, in a group the failure is NOT and has NEVER been on the shoulder of ONE person, the group as a whole is guilty for it, not to mention that, each round in the same fight, may see a different person to be having the lowest DPS...ever thought about that ? Parser is good IF you can put numbers into context if you can analyze each and everyones' TRUE contribution based on fact rather then numbers, but unfortunately, parser will just give a justification to remove someone from a group for n reasons other then having a 0,0000001 less input in numbers then the lowest one...de facto abusing the tool or contributing to create copy pasted players.

No matter what you think, the tool is NOT meant for immature, and 70 % of the community (and I think I am still nice in saying that) is made of immature, be it because too Young to know better or just because they like to be stupid or staff alike, I am sure you dont need a drawing to explain to you what I mean.

I never judged your way of playing, so refrain from judging my way of playing, I dont knwo you nor do I care to and you dont know me nor do I care you to know me

Using a parser will just end like this conversation in people finding others stupid and wanting them to go, here you can always blacklist me, wouldnt mind, but in-game that means kick.....thank you to prove my point about immaturity.

@SirDarts

Today you have to be careful in saying that you are using a parser, it could end up you in being banned, ergo why we dont have many accidents with that, but I guarantee you without a doubt that the day is out officially, we will be seeing zillions of posts of people that will complain about the abuse of that tool. Dont mix things thank you very much. I dont care if you use a parser TODAY, it is forced to be for your own use right ? but if it was officially permitted how long would it take you to come and point fingers and just kick...by analyzing cold numbers of others not even yours..eh?

Mei