Something need to be done about BAD DPS.

[MeiUshu]

@Asierid

I am fine what that, I agree you can see who is doing the best they can or doing nothing, you dont need a parser for that, frankly, if you have the time to look what is happenign around you and findo ut the culprit in my opinion you are not either doing all you could since your concentration is elsewhere, but that is just my vision. What I am saying is about people that want a justification to when they kick a player and a parser would give them the NUMERICAL reason to do it, and that NUMERICAL reason is a cold reason based on nothign as it does not take into account the possible factors that happen during a fight that could make a DPS not be in a position to give its maximum...

Parsers are for the people able to understand the use of such a tool and what it is PRIMARALY meant for, what I see in all these threads is peopel wnating the parser to throw others out, not to improve themselves or,e ventually, give tips to others. Remember also that tolerance works both ways, you want to play as you think is best even though someone else wants to find what is ebst for him and that may not be what you foresee.

People call bad what is not like them or not as they foresee things to be...think of this

Mei

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@Asierid

I am fine what that, I agree you can see who is doing the best they can or doing nothing, you dont need a parser for that, frankly, if you have the time to look what is happenign around you and findo ut the culprit in my opinion you are not either doing all you could since your concentration is elsewhere, but that is just my vision. What I am saying is about people that want a justification to when they kick a player and a parser would give them the NUMERICAL reason to do it, and that NUMERICAL reason is a cold reason based on nothign as it does not take into account the possible factors that happen during a fight that could make a DPS not be in a position to give its maximum...

Parsers are for the people able to understand the use of such a tool and what it is PRIMARALY meant for, what I see in all these threads is peopel wnating the parser to throw others out, not to improve themselves or,e ventually, give tips to others. Remember also that tolerance works both ways, you want to play as you think is best even though someone else wants to find what is ebst for him and that may not be what you foresee.

People call bad what is not like them or not as they foresee things to be...think of this

Mei

If you have time to look at another player's rotation during hard content like Bismarck EX or AS:1, you most likely have time to do more damage yourself.
So no, there is no way to see who is not pulling their weight out of 4 DPS in a hard instance. Not without a parser. And the worst thing about it is that not even that player knows that he is not pulling his own weight. He has no way to know. He might think that he is doing the best possible rotation, and thus he will never even consider looking up a guide or asking someone.

And yes, if someone is detrimental to the successful clearing of the content, they NEED to be removed. Why should you leave and hope that you will get 7 new people who all can pull their weight, when you can just replace one?
If someone is playing lazy, and they don't care, and just want to press 1-2-3 and nothing else, while the rest wants to actually try clearing, that equals to "difference in playstyle" and is confirmed to be a legit reason to kick someone.

Also yes, Numbers are cold, but they don't lie, they also aren't subjective, and biased = they are fair.


Also stop being so apologetic, people mostly call bad what is bad. Not pulling more DPS than a tank as DPS is BAD it's not "different" it's just plain bad. This is not a MOBA where you need split-second decision making, perfect positioning, and fast reaction times, most stuff gives you more than a second time to do shit. And if you are unable to do THAT, you probably shouldn't join hard content.

[Asierid]

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None of this makes any sense. Really. You're just grasping at this point.

This is the thing. You're taking assumptions on a tool that is used across the board in any other game to better ones self and saying that it is not being used for that purpose. Well, yeah. There are people who take items and things out of context to better suit their needs all the time, that's kinda how it is...

I don't NEED a parser to give me justification. The justification is clear as day when someone doesn't want to pull their weight. I don't need a tool that gives numbers to see this in normal content. What I DO need the tool for is the one guy in AS1 or any form of progression that wants to hang back and get carried through Faust (Which is a tank and spank fight on a tight timer BTW. Nothing about mechanics to kill your DPS there.) because he is lazy. Everyone can do their best on that fight because it is basically a straight dummy check. The problem is there is a gray area where we can't do anything because SE hides behind this half-assed ToS statement where if you mention DPS you get flagged like you're going through TSA at an airport (cavity check included). Tanks and Heals have to "take into account the possible factors that happen during a fight" too. You don't see any other person with two hands and eyes failing that test either.

All I want is for you to do the best you can. Sorry, but anything under 600 DPS in this game isn't your best at endgame. You can take that bat and swing it anyway you like in an attempt to save yourself, you're wrong. To say otherwise means you want nothing more than for people who took the time to better themselves, through research and gear grinding, to carry you through content that you have no business being in because you don't want to take the time to go through the motions like everyone else did. Quite frankly, that's not only idiotic considering how easily gear and information is to find, but selfish. Why should you have special treatment over the other 3 people in the group? You're holding us back if anything else.


If you can't keep up with everyone else, you shouldn't be there. Everyone else had to learn and step up to get to where they are, now it's your turn.

Now, to the ending statement, why can't I have this? Because there are people that will mis-use it? Oh, well damn. Might as well take away Gil. We have RMT just handing it out like candy. Delete characters too, people are using bots to take control of their characters, we can't have that. People call people bad names on the forums? Shut it down before it flows into my virgin ears.

Please. Just stop. It's getting redundant and stupid at this point. We're regurgitating an old argument that holds no merit anymore. Just man up and hit more than two keys in your dungeons or stop giving us stupid DPS checks if we have no way to actually check DPS without it being an underground drug deal with the threat of jail time.

EDIT: Oh. BTW, since we mentioned me noticing things during fights and calling them out: Yes. I'm a tank. It's kind of my job to notice these things and make sure it all goes smoothly. Multi-tasking IS a thing, you know.