Just buff Astrologians

[Arragomis]

Kayleen only because that player is probably more proficient with sch or whm. They probably have not played astro exclusviely since launch like some people. If the players who were getting world first put the time into learning astro instead of screaming how broken it is they might actually see its not as bad as they cry about. Does it need help? slightly buffing it wouldnt hurt. But again.. it is a FAR CRY from broken and not nearly as bad as these idiots are claiming. its a L2P issue as yes its healing is weaker.. they cant fix stupid dps standing in stupid stuff. THey cant fix stupid tanks who dont use Cooldowns. Thats not a fault of the job.. Astro brings out the faults in everyone else and people are screaming it is the AST fault.

[Kayleen]

Kayleen only because that player is probably more proficient with sch or whm.

I was one of those people who believed AST would be my new main. I cleared all content on it up until A4 when I realized how behind it is. I made a full post on the forums http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...strologian-IMO explaining in detail how I felt about the class after A LOT of playing it.

[Arragomis]

I have played a lot of astro, and a lot of sch. I know the short comings of the class. But its not near as bad as people make it out to seem. Your post was well put together. But honestly I just think your more comofrtable with sch and that is ok too. I dont like the playstyle of sch myself and thus prefer to play astro even with its challenges.

[Evanoel]

Thats not a fault of the job.. Astro brings out the faults in everyone else and people are screaming it is the AST fault.

Maybe what people mean by AST weaker than the others is AST can't seem to perform miracle whenever a stupid party do stupid stuff resulting in devastating condition (such as in Curator where the floor's all light up). Maybe WHM or SCH may perform a miracle there and survive the predicament. Basically, a healer's considered a real healer if they can fix other ppl's failures and stupidity.

[Tint]

Basically, a healer's considered a real healer if they can fix other ppl's failures and stupidity.

yes, that is one of the mainjobs a healer has to do.

of course, you can staying there and playing cards instead...

[Crater]

The issues with Astrologian performance are generally not aimed at content can be completed while other members of the party are being "stupid".*

Nobody would really care if AST sucked at Neverreap and Fractal Continuum if they brought anything to the table for Savage Alexander.


*This is not to say that there's really much of an excuse for casual content being so much easier on SCH/WHM than it is on AST; only that if your standard for "hard" healing is dealing with a bad party in your Expert Roulette, you don't really have the frame of reference that everyone else does.

[Kayleen]

Basically, a healer's considered a real healer if they can fix other ppl's failures and stupidity.

I think people fail to understand.... there's TWO healing spots in a raid.. not three, TWO. If two of the three healers can allow more room for error why bring the AST? That's the problem with AST...

[DawnSolaria]

Kayleen only because that player is probably more proficient with sch or whm. They probably have not played astro exclusviely since launch like some people. If the players who were getting world first put the time into learning astro instead of screaming how broken it is they might actually see its not as bad as they cry about. Does it need help? slightly buffing it wouldnt hurt. But again.. it is a FAR CRY from broken and not nearly as bad as these idiots are claiming. its a L2P issue as yes its healing is weaker.. they cant fix stupid dps standing in stupid stuff. THey cant fix stupid tanks who dont use Cooldowns. Thats not a fault of the job.. Astro brings out the faults in everyone else and people are screaming it is the AST fault.

That's... Not how healing works. Healer repairs faults not bring them out. If a class is bringing out faults maybe it's not actually a healer class?

[Arragomis]

I have extensive experience as astro in more than just "casual" content and there is some glaring issues with the job I have never denied that. However it is completely viable if people perfect, dont die, dont eat mechanics, and generally never make a mistake. however if peopel are not on point, and the other healer is absolutely amazing. Even a great astro can struggle as is being reported. However as a majority its a L2P issue and not the class. The exceptional astros are doing things and clearing things, but they have statics and people to communicate with 100% of the time. the average player however does not have that, and the average player is the majority. THus the negative opinions on astro in such abundance. It needs work, but its not broken. People need to stop blocking them from parties.. or the developers will never get enough raw data to see what the issue is and how to fix it.

[Eudyptes]

These arguments are getting dumb. AST can clear content. No one should be arguing otherwise. The problem is, and will remain to be, the fact that an AST performing at 100% is significantly less than the other two performing at 100%. And no, there's no secret code that unlocks some hidden part of this class that apparently so many people are unaware of.

For as long as this is a thing, it will be a big problem because there is no reason to bring AST to anything ever over a WHM/SCH other than "because you want to". And when you do want to, you're actually hindering your group. AST doesn't need to be exactly the same as WHM/SCH or have exactly the same CDs. However, they do need CDs/adjustments that give them exactly the same outcome. That or they need to surpass WHM/SCH in some area that entices groups to bring them for certain reasons/fights.

Now stop ignorantly defending this class as if some minor hotfix is all it'll take to be on par with the rest. Having raided extensively with all three (and more so as AST at 60 since it was my first 60, and I do actually enjoy its playstyle), I can promise you it requires significantly more work than the other healers for much less payout (and that only becomes more apparent as the raids get harder). Which just shouldn't be the case.