Collective Unconcious

[Ghishlain]

Vlady, if this is the only issue you have against me in this entire thread:

I truly would love to speak to these supposed double AST in Savage 2 and by luck I'm on Balmung so hit me up because I just do not see how even combined they can make up for the lost DPS I provide, let alone the mitigation, healing and buffs I can provide coupled with a WHM. Truly, I would LOVE to speak with them.

I truly would love to speak to these supposed double AST in Savage 2 and by luck I'm on Balmung so hit me up because I just do not see how even combined they can make up for the lost DPS I provide, let alone the mitigation, healing and buffs I can provide coupled with a WHM. Truly, I would LOVE to speak with them.

I truly would love to speak to these supposed double AST in Savage 2

I truly would love to speak to these supposed double AST in Savage 2

I truly would love to speak to these supposed double AST in Savage 2

I rest my case about you and every single supposed retort / refute you've ever made in this forum.

Good night, sir. Happy trolling.

[Galdous]

Amazing how every thread derails so easily.. But even in the best case scenarios the highest burst ive ever seen in a 15-20 second window for a dragoon is around the 2200-2500 mark for just a few seconds and even then you would at most only provide 230 dps with a 10% balance card. It is more likely 170-180 while the dragoon had all of his buffs up in a raid with full raid buffs. Where did 400 come from?

Vlady, if this is the only issue you have in this entire thread:


I rest my case about you and every single supposed retort / refute you've ever made in this forum.

Good night, sir. Happy trolling.

Lol. Why does he have to defend something he never even said. That sorta nulls him even having to answer questions that are misinformed to begin with.
How can you rest your case against a misunderstanding at most and at worse a fabrication and or lie. I would stick with his 400 dps claim and let that be. But I have seen a parse improvement from being constantly buffed by astrologians over 120. My normal is around 1100 dps but with a machinist who focused arrow/balance/spire with me I was able to improve my personal dps an easy 100+ so he is telling the truth on one account.

[Ghishlain]

Lol. Why does he have to defend something he never even said. That sorta nulls him even having to answer questions that are misinformed to begin with.
How can you rest your case against a misunderstanding at most and at worse a fabrication and or lie. I would stick with his 400 dps claim and let that be. But I have seen a parse improvement from being constantly buffed by astrologians over 120. My normal is around 1100 dps but with a machinist who focused arrow/balance/spire with me I was able to improve my personal dps an easy 100+ so he is telling the truth on one account.

I'll respond once more just for you, Gladous.

Show us the parse.

That is all - because I know neither of you will actually post the parse as evidence.

[GideonHighmourn]

You're still incorrect, Galdous. Your DPS may be 1100, but that doesn't mean an Arrow/Spire/Balance adds 110DPS to an entire encounter. It would add 110DPS for 15 seconds, yes, but even on average, due to up time, it's still only 50-60DPS if you're using Draw on CD and getting Balance every time.

It is 100% incorrect/statistically impossible to say AST adds "on average 150-160DPS to MCH during an entire encounter" or "adds 400DPS to DRGs", which is what Vlady was claiming.

[Galdous]

I'll respond once more just for you, Gladous.

Show us the parse.

That is all - because I know neither of you will actually post the parse as evidence.

I honestly dont care whether astro gets nerfed or buffed. I am not going to waste an hour of my time when I do not even know how to break down ACT that shows what buffs you have or have not. I only know what I personally have experience with when being buffed by astrologians in dungeons. Why not you show me a PARSE with an astro buffs showing it does not buff my dps by 100+ over the course of a dungeon? I only came here to point out the hypocrisy you drum down upon someone wanting an answer to a statement that was misinformed then demand he still gives an answer that doesnt exsist because the statement was out right wrong.

Its like looking at a horse and someone says the horse is a dog and wants to know the weight of the dog. That statement makes as much sense as your statement does demanding an answer to a questioned statement that was never said.

And I am honoured you would choose me to respond to just for once.

[Vlady]

Vlady, if this is the only issue you have against me in this entire thread:

I rest my case about you and every single supposed retort / refute you've ever made in this forum.

Good night, sir. Happy trolling.

Ok I will bite.

I DID NOT SAY THAT SO HOW IS IT RELEVANT. I DID NOT SAY THAT SO HOW IS IT RELEVANT. HOW DID I SAY THAT SO HOW IT IS RELEVANT.

Refute all of your statements that you have been shot down on and I will gladly mince words with you about any other topic.

[Whiteroom]

Why not you show me a PARSE with an astro buffs showing it does not buff my dps by 100+ over the course of a dungeon?

Wut?

But seriously, if you claim something, the onus is on you to prove it, not the one questioning it to disprove it.

[Aldebaran92]

Except I can count on one hand the situations where using it wont get your entire raid killed. The ridiculous limitation on it needs to be removed, no questions asked.

And that's why I said "there aren't that many fights where you can safely channel it", please read before you reply. I did not say that you should use it in every fight, in every phase or whatever. I just find it extremely ridiculous to say that it's completely worthless when there are situations where it can be beneficial to use. I believe it does need changes, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth using when applicable in its current state. There are far worse abilities out there (Freeze and Dissipation to name two), if only they had as many complaint threads as CU.

[Muahbec]

Ok I will bite.

I DID NOT SAY THAT SO HOW IS IT RELEVANT. I DID NOT SAY THAT SO HOW IS IT RELEVANT. HOW DID I SAY THAT SO HOW IT IS RELEVANT.

Refute all of your statements that you have been shot down on and I will gladly mince words with you about any other topic.

Vlady, stop.
Turn away.
Leave.
Thanks .

[AmiraHargal]

Making stuff up alone discredits you and you have argued intelligently in the past to resort to lowering yourself this much Ghis. Please stop while you have any street cred left please.

Double astro in savage 2? I never once said I know of any double astro teams in SAVAGE 2.? I think I am waiting for a response of where you are pulling this made up bs out of your ass.

Also I am starting to think there are cropping up people who are tired of this bs being spewed from the astro sucks threads and are starting to fight back. Oh wait. Go on the Japanese forum that so many people claim that JP is talking about how badly astro is in a bad spot. The original 300 pages of posts were from before the buffs astro's got a few weeks back. The rest post buff seem more around the astrologians artifact gear looks...

Such irony. A post telling people off for making stuff up and you yourself making stuff up. Patch 3.05 went up on 21 July, and on 21 July the Japanese astrologian thread was on page 68. Right now it's on page 198, so that's like... I don't know, 130 page worth of posts since the buff?

Also, if you think that most of the post is about how astrologian AF looks, you should learn Japanese again from the starts. I know Japanese and 90% of the posts there is saying AST sucks currently and protesting that they can't even got into savage progression(they use learning party in their language for progression), let alone try to master the job in Savage. Should I also post a quote from the Japanese thread too and the translation so you won't make stuff up anymore?

I don't mind you defending AST, and I agree that some people exaggerate the problem currently, but at least get your fact straight?

Edit : Also, the math is fine on paper. Even considering balance or arrow up for 100% of the time(which is statistically close to impossible), the most you can get is 5% increase in DPS for single person. Adding time dilation(which is up every 3 cycle of buff, 90s), and the insignificant celestial opposition(5s increase, which is 33% extension on 5 cycle buff, so that's 6.6% buff), the most you can get is (1.4 * 5%) = around 7% increase in DPS for a single person. so for 100 DPS increase, said person has to deal 1428 DPS for 15s every 30s cycle(again, statistically close to impossible for it to be up 100%).

Do I think the buff is insignificant? Absolutely not. My static's BLM(JP person BTW, so I do know JP pretty well) said he feels really good when he got that 10k damage Fire IV crit under balance, and my MNK and DRG does feel the increase in their DPS for every balance they got. Problem is, balance is only up 8.5% of the time(17% * 50% for draw cooldown) statistically, and in the whole big picture, it's an insignificant increase in DPS overall, not to mention we have to use one of the buff(The Ewer) on ourselves mostly in order to not run out of mana.

Is AST unplayable? no, absolutely not. Is it in critical need of buff for Savage? IMO, yes, and it reflects in the community as a whole since there are a lot of people that think it's much much harder to clear savage if they have an AST compared to the SCH WHM combo. In fact, my static subtly asks me to change to SCH because our WHM is swamped with healing tasks when I go AST and can't help the DPS due to the low Accuracy, and my DPS is too insignificant as AST(around 150-200 DPS) to help that much with DPS.