Current Evaluation/Status of Astrologian and Ideas for Improvement

[GideonHighmourn]

If I can increase a machinist dps by 120 through an entire fight ...

How many times do we have to explain to you that this is patently false before you stop posting it in every thread?

You still can't even get your "proven numbers" straight, because last time it was 150 - 160DPS and 400 DPS for DRGs. Seriously? You're really going to continue to post this entirely baseless misinformation in an attempt to make AST look like it performs more than it does?

[Vlady]

Actually there are not. There are approximately 5-6 people (yourself included) that feel AST is fine and in great shape. There are countless people both here (both in the NA and JA sections of the forum), in game and even on Reddit who know it's not fine, hence why there are countless threads about it's shortcomings. Hell, we even have other DPS and tanks who play in parties alongside AST that know they need to be balanced by SE.

Reddit I would take with a grain of salt and the Japenese forum has a focused thread on the subject not countless threads as you claim. And oddly if you go through most of the pages it seems to talk about the astrologian outfit as much as its design.

And I love how people do not read my posts since the 180 number I spoke of being personal dps with just dots ticking so try doing something simple that anyone can do and go into a few dungeons with a friend dps and see that the average dps of your friend rises and then post your results. It is oddly less discrepancy then most would think. Between arrow/tp/balance it provides a very strong power up to dps.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Reddit I would take with a grain of salt and the Japenese forum has a focused thread on the subject not countless threads as you claim. And oddly if you go through most of the pages it seems to talk about the astrologian outfit as much as its design.

I might take you a bit more seriously if you had actually completed any hard content as an AST OR even had SCH and WHM leveled to 60. But, considering you have not accomplished either of these things, I will continue to view your opinion as fairly baseless.

At any rate, take care! I will not be responding to you any further.

[Geardagas]

Seriously. Level WHM or SCH. Alternatively, level a 2nd job and get into a raid without an AST.

You can literally feel the lack of struggle.

Also...why can't people understand the simple fact that you're still casting spells at the same rate with lightspeed, rendering it nearly useless except for gaining mobility for a few spells? It is not a healing cooldown, it is not a healing cooldown, it is not a healing cooldown.

[Vlady]

I might take you a bit more seriously if you had actually completed any hard content as an AST OR even had SCH and WHM leveled to 60. But, considering you have not accomplished either of these things, I will continue to view your opinion as fairly baseless.

At any rate, take care! I will not be responding to you any further.

That is fine by me. I will most likely beat Savage 1 tonight or saturday and I have already defeated all extreme fights. But unlike some who try to proclaim elitist remarks by proclaiming you have to have all relevant cutting edge progression down to have a viable opinion I do not bring achievements up when we have facts and players beating Savage mode as astrologian jobs already.

But of course you will just skew those statements and claim the other raiders are carrying the astro or some snippet comment of that nature I am sure.

And yes Geardagas I understand Lightspeed is a mana management/movement oriented cooldown over a true burst healing cooldown. You can only upfront your heal burst once before you have to rely on the GCD. I am all for Astrologian having a special trait that gives us an edge in the global cooldown department over other healers. But do not shrug off being able to ignore mechanics while healing at full strength like bards/machinist can do at times. I can bounce around the entire area of the map and helios almost everyone despite range because of lightspeed.

[TatoRazzino]

Seriously. Level WHM or SCH. Alternatively, level a 2nd job and get into a raid without an AST.

You can literally feel the lack of struggle.

Also...why can't people understand the simple fact that you're still casting spells at the same rate with lightspeed, rendering it nearly useless except for gaining mobility for a few spells? It is not a healing cooldown, it is not a healing cooldown, it is not a healing cooldown.

It is not a healing cooldown, indeed. I never use it for healing, I use it for MP conserving and mobility or to quick change between targets. It's not supposed to be a healing cooldown.
And also, I leveled a second healing class (SCH) and there's no lack of struggle. I'm paired with a WHM in Savage and Synastry made prey handling so much better than it was when I was doing it as SCH (I did it for the first two weeks, because my raid group's DPS was not enough to kill Faust without me adding over 500 dps). Stop assuming that people will perform better if they change jobs, because that's not true. I'm doing fine as AST, as was doing fine as SCH, and in some aspects it's harder, but there are some other aspects that are easier. You just have to adjust. My WHM partner also thinks it's easier in some aspects, so we're focusing on that.

[Arragomis]

My fc loves me as AST and do not want me to change all I'm doing is waiting for our scholar to gear up abit to do Alex savage[/QUOTE] come back when you have savage experience on astro and your opinions might be taken a bit more seriously. Astro struggle in savage period. The geratest healers in the world tired astro in savage and struggled. They arent completely broken. Its doable. but its MUCH easier on sch/whm that is why people are excluding us from progression parties at this juncture. Go heal savage your opinion will change within 30 min guaranteed.

[Arragomis]

Vlady your hurting astro not helping it. I know you love the class. I do too. But stop pretending its "fine" stop exagerating your dps infaltion of your raid. Its not possible with the current card setup to do that "consistently" or even at all really. The buffs are a gimmick at this point sadly they are barely noticeable and even good astro run out of MP before first Jump on A1s using only one aspected helios, one helios and spamming Benefic2 to keep tank/prey alive while a whm on the other end or a sch on the other end still has half MP. THis is not balance and it needs to be so.

[Arragomis]

We lack burst healing that is NEEDED in savage. We lack the ability to bring a single person from near death to full in less than 3 GCD like sch and WHM. WHM has bene, Scholar has 3, to 6 lustrates we have essential dignity on a 40 second CD. Once Essential Dignity at 20% health will bring a tank to just above half health, 1 gcd. 2 gcd Benefic 2, 75%, if we are able to get off a third GCD before a tank buster Benefic 2 if not tank is dead.

[Akyio]

Celestial Opposition Ver. C:

Diurnal Sect: Cover your nearby area with celestial aether rewinding wounds inflicted. Effect: 250 Potency Heal Additional Effect: Exalted Detriment on all party members

This one i liked mostly, in fact i think it should be for both sects. I think it is RIDICULOUS that our level 60 final skill has practically the only good use being used in conjunction with luminous aether to increase our mp regen by 1-2 ticks.. This just reminds me every time how mp drained AST is.

I'm against "stance dancing" version though, because stance dancing is only viable with a WHM partner. It won't work with another AST or SCH.