Why does Enochian have to be a pain in the neck?

[StouterTaru]

Also, what numbers are you pulling on A2 ? Post a parse screen w/ your gear and I will happily prove you wrong.

I don't use a parser, but on a PF group I topped a comparably geared SMN in all but one run, according to one of our healers.

[luizf_sp]

I don't use a parser, but on a PF group I topped a comparably geared SMN in all but one run, according to one of our healers.

Sorry to break it to you, but it is a well known fact that a good SMN just crushes a BLM of the same skill in heavy AoE fights. Many SMNs are parsing more than 2K in A2 Savage. If you can get me a comparable BLM parse I'll eat my words.

[Sleigh]

I don't use a parser, but on a PF group I topped a comparably geared SMN in all but one run, according to one of our healers.

Most SMNs I play with, regardless of gear, don't even come close to tapping the SMN AoE potential, but you can say that about 99.99% of PUGs including those in PFs. The facts you listed, you forgot a bunch of things including Shadow Flare, B2, and a bit more I could go over but since you seem to be stuck in the ARR era where BLM is top tier AoE and SMN is just alright at it, I'm not sure if I could persuade you.

[hallena]

I don't use a parser, but on a PF group I topped a comparably geared SMN in all but one run, according to one of our healers.

Well that summoner was garbage

[raisetheglass1]

You could just Sharp - Swift - F1 - F3 during the orbs, if you get targeted. I think the only time I scathe now is dungeon trash at 2%.

As I recall, right after this point in the fight I have an opportunity to use Raging Strikes + Convert for a round of 6 Fire 4s, so I don't want to blow Sharpcast here. Not a big deal either way unless you're trying to way over-optomize just for the hell of it, or doing carry/sell runs. I did end up replacing it with Blizzard 1 on my main bar tho, because I found a place where I consistently wanted to use Blizzard 1.

[Kiara]

I'll mention something I suggested earlier in the thread: how about changing Scathe so that it extends Enochian/Astral Fire/Umbral Ice by some amount? The ability was designed to be used with movement in mind, so I still think it'd be a good fit.

Great suggestion Duelle!

I would be happy with Duelle's suggestion of Scathe extending Enochian / Astral Fire / Umbral Ice, since it's Instant Cast. It makes sense and feels like a way to run / get out of the way and Instant Cast Scathe before settling back in.

Or Fire IV / Blizz IV suggestion to refresh is another simple change by SE as well that would help the situation.

[Kabooa]

Sorry to break it to you, but it is a well known fact that a good SMN just crushes a BLM of the same skill in heavy AoE fights. Many SMNs are parsing more than 2K in A2 Savage. If you can get me a comparable BLM parse I'll eat my words.

Gotta love the logic there.

"We don't like Black Mages being AoE kings, so we're going to buff your consistent single target damage and gut your aoe by nerfing flare, not introducing new ether potions, and adding in timers that really only line up well when hitting one person."

Dang. Now I'm a summoner.

"We're also giving Summoners more AoE potential, a slap on the wrist for baning more than 3 targets, abilities that make dotting up easier, and keeping their single target damage roughly in the same ball park."

...FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[hallena]

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This is why i dont understand the flare nerf. If BLM's aoe was so op it needed a nerf then why did they give summoner aoe stronger than blm had in ARR

[chidarake]

whats funny about the flare nerf is that there isn't many places that we could get to hit more than 5-6 mobs anyways, and on average id say its 3-5 in a pulled pack right now due to most tanks being pussies and not trying to pull more.

plus anyway the biggest nerf was no more ether use as that limits blm aoe quite a fair amount, so if they add another easy to get relative ether then we will be back in business to triple flare.

i must say though ive been levelling smn recently and they do have a strong aoe rotation but its a little rng based on bane usage and shadow flare has quite a limited range, but in a nice tight area or with a tank who knows how to keep the pack nice and tight they wreck stuff very quickly.

[laanz]

sry for being rude but why are there so many complains about enochian and ppl wanting an easier way to solve the problem (i.e someone wanted scathe to refresh enochian).
When HW came out i was so curious of finding a new way to mash out the highest dps while learning a new way to fight with blm's.
If ur not satisfied with the class then change to another that suits u better. or u could try find a rotation that suits u and just practice and get used to it, its not that hard to keep 2 buffs up. i mean sometimes i just refresh enochian without even thinking cause im used to it now.