Please let BRDs use Empyrean Arrow and Iron Jaws outside of Wanderer's Minuet

[Aiselia]

Brd players have the option to get better though. So "git good"

Getting better has nothing to do with liking something and doesn't fix objective issues, so that's not exactly useful input.

[justinjarjar]

Better idea, bards get monkeys. They can release the monkeys who will run around randomly and the first thing they touch they maw the face off of and insta-kill them (talking about mobs, players, bosses, story needed npcs nothing is save from the face mawing). Their is a catch thou the monkeys like to go for yellow things more than any other color (might be a banana thing, but we may never know). So that means people who dyed their gear yellow or are wearing yellow gear (AF monk gear for example) will probably get mawed. If people complain that they want to wear yellow the bard can reply with git gud scrub gtfo the yellow gear. Or we could just ask for some looking into making oGDC weaving less painful, since probably the biggest problem is bloodletter proc misses.

[LionKing]

Getting better has nothing to do with liking something and doesn't fix objective issues, so that's not exactly useful input.

I did not take this thread seriously, for your information.

Learn the fight, learn when to switch in and out, learn your rotation, and git good.

If the healer knows how to dance stance, then all you whinny Brd should learn to do so....

[Aiselia]

I did not take this thread seriously, for your information.

Learn the fight, learn when to switch in and out, learn your rotation, and git good.

If the healer knows how to dance stance, then all you whinny Brd should learn to do so....

That still has nothing to do with fixing objective issues or liking the stance.

[LionKing]

Is there anything need to be fixed? All I hear is "Brd is now broken, Brd is now too hard to play, make Brd face roll, yada yada...". How about sit back, and spend all that time to learn and git good?

[Aiselia]

Is there anything need to be fixed?

Yes.

How about sit back and spend some time actually reading the posts to find the objective issues rather than skimming and just assuming everyone's whining for the sake of whining?

[dragoelete]

Is there anything need to be fixed? All I hear is "Brd is now broken, Brd is now too hard to play, make Brd face roll, yada yada...". How about sit back, and spend all that time to learn and git good?

most of the people in here are not whining because its "hard" to use WM. they are complaining that they don't like the skill cause they don't like the change in mechanics. honestly they could be the best bard in the world with WM and still complain about it because they don't like or outright hate the skill. so the "git gud" thing doesn't work in this situation and your just making yourself look stupid by using it.

[LionKing]

OP's intention for this thread, as far as I know, was not asking for a change to WM, but rather requested skills that are exclusively for WM, to be used for free. I welcomed any chAnges to WM (even so there is not much need to be changed, except learning a new play style), but asking for something that is rewarding to be used for free is just plain dumb.

In Heavenward, within my knowledge, all class have some sort of new playstyle attached to them:

1/War now can dance between stance and has skills exclusively for that stance to do more things. Equilibrium has different effect when used under different stance, gives the player the options to choose whether for Heal or TP. War players need to learn when to stance dance for most effectiveness.
2/Sch can now sacrifice the Fairies to do something. Sch players need to know when it is safe to do so as Fairy is important factor for their healing.
3/DRK can deal good DPS while still in Tank stance but they have to learn to manage their MP.

Since the beginning of time, Healer has already learned to Cleric stance dance, know when safe to Dps and when need to heal. BLM learned to hold their Fire and Thunder Procs for more mobility if able. So what new?

Brd players now need to learn when they can sacrifice a bit of mobility for an extra DPS (Much like how Cleric Stance works) and all these whinny thread pop out one after another.

Then again, study the fight, know you can stand still to have more DPS, when you need to move and don't. If Healers can Cleric Stance dance, War can Stance Dance, then you Brd should not have any problem to learn it. "Git good" is still my answer.

[AiiroOkami]

We don't like BRD now

Finally someone said it. You don't think the BRD is broken or need a rework, you just DON'T like the class.
I don't know why you are so stubborn about fixing things that don't need to be fixed just because you don't like it.
I don't like the WHM, I don't like his "playstyle" (I use a word everyone here like to use). Do I whine about it or say that the WHM is broken ?
No, I just don't play it and play classes I enjoy playing, there are plenty of other classes in the game. If you like none of them, I only have 1 advice; quit the game, don't waste your time on something you don't like.
Simple as that, people.

[Rikkustrife]

Healer cleric stance is completely different though, the abilities do not change in cleric stance, only the mind and intelligence stat swap, and healing is 20% lower.
Scholar didn't change much at all, we just got abilities that allowed us to do what we did before but better, and Dissipation is not very useful as it is right now


I do like bard, and wanderer's minuet is just not very well implemented. I don't see how it makes the job harder, and while I still find it fun with minuet, it does have issues with procs, which people have said many times, and there is an entire thread. It also makes the job slower, and I don't think making a significant playstyle change was a good idea either. If it felt as fluid as bard without wanderer's on, it would be a welcome ability, look at machinist and how their gauss barrel works a lot better with the abilities they have.
Also most bards seem to think bard is easier with minuet on, and I agree, so the get good never made sense.