Skills/spells you see no reason to use since you got to 60?

[Bodicca]

Wat.

You're a bad WHM,

Or maybe just inexperienced. I remember as a wee whm the first few times I used it I was convinced it was a lie. My target always died anyway leaving me wondering wtf just happened. As an "instant" cast this is one of the trolliest game mechanics ever conceived in the minds of men.

As you gain experience you understand how invaluable this spell is. But that doesn't change the fact that for new players lacking information it's a total headache.

[Yunshaa7]

Six pages and not a single mention of Haymaker? Seriously?

[bideogames]

I've actually found use for abilities that seemed useless to me pre 51~60. Barrage, being an auto-attack buff, never saw any use before Heavensward. Now I try to keep it handy for when I need to triple-down an action. I never used Hawk's Eye, either. Now it's part of my buff macro. Seriously, Heavensward opened my class' potential, not stifled it.

it hardly matters now but old barrage made your auto attacks do 300 potency every 3 seconds, and hawks eye increase your main stat by 15%. they were incredible, there was no reason not to use them.

oh ya and to stay on topic. thunder 2, smn physick, uhhhhhhhhh mnk haymaker outside of soloing i guess

[JammerSidewinder]

it doesn't pull more threat than unleash, costs more than unleash, and isn't worth the huge mp cost for the self heal unless against more than three mobs. (also bloodbath does not work with magic attacks.)


for me...i would have to go with abyssal drain post heavensward, awareness during raids pre and post heavensward besides for warrior (for that matter all warrior cc skills when not on warrior besides mercy stroke), most crowd control skills outside of raid content.

True on the bloodbath, not sure why i said that...but as far as enmity goes, you shouldn't need the extra enmity anyway after the initial few Unleash. I did mention for aoe pulls so that would be 3+ mobs with Blood Price basically keeping you topped off while you do more potency than Unleash. So on its own, maybe it's not so good, but paired with Blood Price is where it shines.

[FaileExperiment]

MCH:
Leg Graze (useful for leveling, but that's about it)
Blank Shot
Turret Retrieval
Dismantle
Rend Mind

[Momita]

Remember some skills are still useful in pvp, like sleep, repose, stella etc.. CC are always welcome in pvp.. btw i agree some spell/skill need a little rework...
like Freeze, if they get like 1.0 where give u enmity - will be useful

[Fendred]

Macroing should be a thing of the past or something to fill a niche. The fact we have to do it at all is another example of why the game needs a second major development pass. I think SE is holding back funds from Yoshida at this point because they're a bunch of idiots. Remember, the same top brass that gave us FFXIII and FFXIV 1.0 are still running the show. They put one of their best single player game developers (Tanaka) with no MMO experience as the lead developer for an MMORPG project and then used that same dev as the fallout guy for 1.0's failure even though the management that put him there was more to blame.

[Maero]

Wat.

You're a bad WHM, and Miasma 2 has plenty of use in aoe situations. Or do you not DPS, ever, as SCH?

Also, BLM has use for thunder 1.

And we still use convert, not sure why the person you quoted seems to think it is useless

[Sicno]

WAR: Defiance.

You gotta be kidding

[Galactimus]

PLD: ok sort of a new ability but sheltron is not at all that useful, lol

Sheltron is one of our best new abilities. It's a guaranteed Block that's off our GCD so you can press it the exact moment you need it. It has a 30 second cool down so its ready in-time for every hard hitting boss attack. It also restores a portion of your MP (enough for another Flash.) Its a free 30% damage reduction (Block) on hard hitting moves that restores your MP. Crazy good when used correctly.


I would argue that Shield Swipe is now our most useless ability given the following facts: Pulling off a perfect DPS rotation in Alexander Savage looks something like "Halone Combo -> Goring Blade Combo -> Royal Authority Combo" repeat. However, the STR debuff from Halone wears off for about two seconds using this rotation (with 500 Skill Speed.) This is fine for the most part. However, every Shield Swipe you perform during these three combos makes Halone wear off for an additional 2.5 seconds; that's not ok. Pull off too many Shield Swipes and Goring Blade wears off too.


Also, performing a Shield Swipe lowers your total DPS. Furthermore, there is no reason you ever need to use Shield Swipe for Emnity gain. After the first 10 seconds of the fight no one should ever get close to your emnity again. Also there's the fact that nothing 'Important' can ever be Pacified. The only use this ability even has now is to restore 10 TP which can be put to decent use if you spam it with a well timed Bulwark in a 0 TP situation.