I severely do not like Bow Mage.

[Aiselia]

but that's really the only MAJOR difference.

If you choose to ignore the issues with the straighter shot procs happening after the GCD ends, the lost BL/RoD procs, and the overall slower pace.

[RyuDragnier]

If you choose to ignore the issues with the straighter shot procs happening after the GCD ends, the lost BL/RoD procs, and the overall slower pace.

See BLM for how they cope with this, because this happens all the time with Firestarter procs, Thundercloud procs, and 3+ second cast times.

[Snowaeth]

See BLM for how they cope with this, because this happens all the time with Firestarter procs, Thundercloud procs, and 3+ second cast times.

And we'r back to hearing same argument.
Bad design is not something that should be promoted.
BLM should have been adjusted instead not the same bad design given to another job and made it worse in the process, because it is worse on bard.

[RyuDragnier]

And we'r back to hearing same argument.
Bad design is not something that should be promoted.
BLM should have been adjusted instead not the same bad design given to another job and made it worse in the process, because it is worse on bard.

My point for mentioning it is if it isn't going to be fixed on them by now, it isn't going to be fixed for BRD most likely. It's sad, but it's most likely the truth.

[RiceisNice]

See BLM for how they cope with this, because this happens all the time with Firestarter procs, Thundercloud procs, and 3+ second cast times.

Bards use straight shot as a regular part of their rotation. If they get the SS proc as they begin their SS cast, they get the full cast time without any of the benefits. SS is a tp loss and a dps loss if used more than necessary compared to heavy shot.
>> BLMS do not hard cast fire III while in astral. They only do it in umbral to go into astral or at the beginning of the pull (both cases you aren't casting fire I anyway to get firestarter procs) The only way you could have this happen is if you were to sharp cast fire I and immediately do fire III after...and they even fixed that in the 8/4 hotfix (while SS is still having the same problems when I tested it out yesterday).

And then you have the very nature of river of blood's interaction with cast times that can cause frequent pauses where you do the sadist choice of delaying your weapon skill or bloodletter (and risk losing a reset by doing the latter)

[Aiselia]

See BLM for how they cope with this, because this happens all the time with Firestarter procs, Thundercloud procs, and 3+ second cast times.

Bad design is not justified by having more bad design.

[hallena]

Bad design is not justified by having more bad design.

You're right. But some bards seems to be under the impression they are completely 100% broken and are on the verge of instinction when another class has been dealing with this shit since 2.0. And ironically ive been told be several class including bards when complaining about this to "git gud" "adapt" or "if you dont like it, reroll"

[RiceisNice]

You're right. But some bards seems to be under the impression they are completely 100% broken and are on the verge of instinction when another class has been dealing with this shit since 2.0. And ironically ive been told be several class including bards when complaining about this to "git gud" "adapt" or "if you dont like it, reroll"

And at the same time, some people still miss what some of the bards are actually complaining about and still get the wrong idea. And last I checked, BLM got their fire III not using firestarter fixed anyway, while bard still has SS procs not being used up.

[hallena]

And last I checked, BLM got their fire III not using firestarter fixed anyway

No they didn't.
BLM still waste a crapton of firestarter when enochian isnt up and waste a shitton of thundercloud procs when enochian is up
Pick your poison

[RiceisNice]

No they didn't.
BLM still waste a crapton of firestarter when enochian isnt up and waste a shitton of thundercloud procs when enochian is up
Pick your poison

What? I meant them hard-casting fire III (and using mana) when they try to use it under the effects of firestarter. And didn't they buff thundercloud anyway?

Bards cant even use up their straighter shot proc even if they do catch it in time or use a oGCD to cancel their heavy shot animation. They quite literally have to delay their weapon skill in order for the proc to properly register. And unlike fire III, straighter shot is normally used in a bard's rotation, so in the event you do proc it and hard cast straighter shot, the proc does not get used up, your hit isn;t a crit, and you've wasted both TP (which is a finite resource mind you) and potency compared to a heavy shot.