Something need to be done about BAD DPS.

[Asierid]

DF, personal parsers only, with options to turn them off. Full premade, add settings to display party DPS, every member must select to display parser, which shows party leader a chart of all the partys parsers.

Then PF parties can set requirements to show your parser, and for those who want to join PF partys but don't want to show their parsers, they can make their own PF.

Sorted ^^

Cool. I'll just copy and paste this one line in and we'll get that working right away.

Because that's how easy it is.

[sirDarts]

realtalk tho here's your fix to bad dps:

-help them understand how to improve
-kick them or leave if they're buttheads about it or very obviously not trying
-stop pugging and go outside or something. meet some friends. talk about women's undergarments in idyllshire. i'm sure you'll find capable players to party with that way

How are we supposed to do the first two when we aren't supposed to know who sucks though? O.o

[Kallera]

This whole thing reminds me of witch-hunting. Take a breathe?

Yeah, i don't think this will change attitudes for the better anymore than getting the raise spell abolished.

[Noira]

My only gripe is when people tell me my dps is low, like okay, but so what ?

Okay my dps is low but like do you know someone you can recommend to me or like good guides and stuff or tips don't just say it's bad because you're just gonna piss me off.

Not everyone is allergic to "gitting gud", I personally enjoy the feeling of helping the party in any way, if getting better at my dps does that then I will do it.

[Eisen-Zorn]

Okay my dps is low but like do you know someone you can recommend to me or like good guides and stuff or tips don't just say it's bad because you're just gonna piss me off.

Research. Research. Research.

If you feel that your contribution is lacking, then you need to start learning why and how to get better. There are numerous posts and guides available (just google them) for every class and how to properly use their skills in a rotation to maximize their contribution. Read about your class, and don't just settle with one post and decide you've learned enough. Consume all of the information you can find because someone has probably found something that others haven't even thought of yet. There is no secret to getting better. You just research and learn.

[seraseth]

I am an older player who really enjoys the story and Final Fantasy XIV. I have arthritis which does slow me down slightly. I do not play Ex's or Raids because I do not have the coordination to do so. I am thankful that SE has mad a game that I can still play.

I am not a terrible player but threads like this are quite annoying to me. Not everyone has the capacity to be great. We are not "stupid" for not having quick eye / hand coordination. The story is great and believe everyone should be able to play. I use DF mostly and get mostly nice people but dang some of you are such elitists that you think someone who doesn't fit your thoughts of a good player.... are stupid? really?

This, automatically assuming that every player who pulls below avg numbers is either stupid, or a lazy slob wanting to be carried is elitist and self absorbed. Just because you think the content/rotation or whatever is 'faceroll easy' doesn't mean every other player does. There is such a thing as skill, and some people simply don't have the hand/eye coordination or twitch reflexes, or ability to watch and remember and think of a dozen things at once. We have several older gamers in our fc, including a couple who are over 60, who are neither stupid or lazy, they simply do not have the physical skill to pull optimal numbers.

This is a game, and a weaker player may not want to (nor should be required to) marathon train on a training dummy, trying to work their fingers and brains to the max for hours a week. People don't all play for the same reasons, some play for challenge and to be the best possible they can be, some play to unwind after work, and just want to relax, run some dungeons, and have some fun.

HW did noticeably increase the complexity of dps rotations at the same time as adding more movement and more mechanics and more dps checks to fights. The overall difficulty of the game did get harder, and of course you're now going to see more people having difficulty keeping up.

And for the record, I am talking about players who do 70-80% efficiency on their rotations/buffs/oGCDs, NOT people who spam bliz1, or 1-2-3 combo and nothing but, ignoring positions. Some jobs are extremely unforgiving and only doing 70-80% of a perfect rotation can make your numbers plummet.

Those people either 1) Don't know or don't care how to play 2) Are trolling or 3) Something irl came up and they're temporarily hitting what buttons they comfortably can while dealing with it, rather than completely afk

[Odett]

Research. Research. Research.

If you feel that your contribution is lacking, then you need to start learning why and how to get better. There are numerous posts and guides available (just google them) for every class and how to properly use their skills in a rotation to maximize their contribution. Read about your class, and don't just settle with one post and decide you've learned enough. Consume all of the information you can find because someone has probably found something that others haven't even thought of yet. There is no secret to getting better. You just research and learn.

This, basically. If you have the drive to improve, there are tons of sources available that you can find. Go to the DPS forums, go on youtube, and yes, look at MANY guides, not just one. I can't stress that last part enough. If rotations and advice differ, try them out yourself, see what works better. One guide may have a crappy MNK rotation, but have an amazing Perfect Balance rotation, another may have a much better core rotation; combine the best parts of both. Compile all the information you absorb, and learn WHY you do certain skills in a certain order instead of following a rotation word for word. That will let you become flexible at your job and even help you mold your own personal rotation that fits your playstyle.

[Odett]

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That's all very true. No one is arguing that you have to min-max, though. You don't have to do any of that unless you're raiding savage as soon as it comes out. The whole "min-max" and "nobody can play perfect" argument keeps being used again and again to derail the main topic of discussion at hand by people who think that your sub fee allows you to be an ice mage, a voiceless bard, a full thrust DRG, a mudra-less NIN (and son on) and not get kicked from a group.

[Jonny_Tapas]

I can't agree more with steeper DPS checks in the Class / Job quests themselves... Of course people can level and still find themselves in your instance without doing the quests. But at least it would be a better attempt at getting them up to par in general.

[Welsper59]

That's all very true. No one is arguing that you have to min-max, though. You don't have to do any of that unless you're raiding savage as soon as it comes out. The whole "min-max" and "nobody can play perfect" argument keeps being used again and again to derail the main topic of discussion at hand by people who think that your sub fee allows you to be an ice mage, a voiceless bard, a full thrust DRG, a mudra-less NIN (and son on) and not get kicked from a group.

The argument about the "mandatory" min/max perspective that folks refer to comes up for reason. One thing about the internet, or forums specifically, is that most people do not specify details about what they are and are not referring to. The OP indirectly did based on the PLD in ShO comment, but most replies didn't (some of which just involved arguments against without noticing that little important bit of info from the OP). So why don't people do that? Well, a number of reasons. First and foremost is the literary skills and understanding of the English language. We're dealing with people that have problems with "your" and "you're". Then comes the fact that very few people are willing to read more than a few sentences from a post, much less bother to create one like that.

Apply these things to a given forum poster, and there's bound to be misunderstanding (or in some cases a direct understanding despite lack of information). Take it a step further and apply that mindset to people who play the game. You're going to encounter people who freak out that a WAR is doing more damage than a BRD or MCH at times due to ignorance on the part of the person freaking out. You're going to meet mouthbreathers that throw fits of rage that any player that happens to be undergeared is not dealing what they should at i190. Let's also not forget people that pop a vein because someone isn't giving 100% serious business output in a 4-man dungeon... including places like normal Sastasha. The fact they exist is reason enough for people to be cautious about others who do not express the little details that I mentioned. The cycle continues because of how we unfortunately are by nature, despite the general remedy being obvious to some of us.