Something need to be done about BAD DPS.

[Kadrothan]

My personal take is that parsers are a double edged sword. Sure they'll help players easily tell how much their dps is in an easy to see and comprehend manner. As such, quite a few players would eeek out whatever they can to improve their overall rotation and dps. Cool beans. However... It won't fix the bad dps, just make them stand out more. Also, say if you get a new person who doesn't quite measure up to someone's standards (new to instance or just new to game in general), there would be ridicule to no end at said underperformer instead of constructive feedback. And you know that one random that's near bottom of the list that gets harped on for being near the bottom, maybe (as mentioned before) said dps was actually dodging things, taking care of mechanics, etc. Just the almighty dps number would matter and rankings in group of who's a "superstar" and "scrub". Even if it's just for the individual's eyes only, I bet 1 mil gil that there will be some PF groups popping up that will mandate a minimum magical dps numbers for Ex trials or Alex content. I saw it mentioned earlier in the thread that it would give people a reason to state that "low dps" was reason for kicking from group. While that may be warranted at times, it will also be used to harass others and add another layer of toxicity into the mix. I've seen it before with parsers elsewhere and I could easily see it happening here.

I would personally be happy if I never heard the word parser uttered ever again. People are so fixated on it being the fix all for every dps issue... Observing threat meters to at least have a general idea of how I hold up and observing the overall fight progress has worked for me so far. Never been singled out for being "a bad dps" and usually remove myself from group if I can tell I'm performing poorly enough.

[Jozi]

I am an older player who really enjoys the story and Final Fantasy XIV. I have arthritis which does slow me down slightly. I do not play Ex's or Raids because I do not have the coordination to do so. I am thankful that SE has mad a game that I can still play.

I am not a terrible player but threads like this are quite annoying to me. Not everyone has the capacity to be great. We are not "stupid" for not having quick eye / hand coordination. The story is great and believe everyone should be able to play. I use DF mostly and get mostly nice people but dang some of you are such elitists that you think someone who doesn't fit your thoughts of a good player.... are stupid? really?

[cgbspender]

This whole thing reminds me of witch-hunting. Take a breathe?

[Ayuhra]

Parsers will not give us more jerks than we already have, but they WILL give said jerks a megaphone. That is always something to consider.

My own position...I guess I am more for them than not.

What a handy tool they are. I have reached the point where I sit out on 99% of my guild's activities. I stick around because I like them as people but I keep to my own because I don't want to hold them back. Because I am an awful BLM. Or...so I assume. But people commend me... Maybe my ability to maintain Enochian puts my damage higher than I think. Maybe my familiarity with the content I do helps me know when to move more than I know. Without a parser I can't be sure. And without a parser I just tend to assume I am doing laughably bad.

Gale Valerian: Worst BLM on Gilgamesh. Maybe. Probably. Could also be one of the better ones. Hard to say for certain.

For me this is my fatalistic thinking in action but surely there are others in my boat. Sometimes not knowing is more stressful than knowing.

[Ryel]

For me this is my fatalistic thinking in action but surely there are others in my boat. Sometimes not knowing is more stressful than knowing.

See this is the type of thinking we need

It's better to know than not know, to have a goal to strive for outside of weekly esoterics grind.

Encouraging player improvement should never be seen as bad thing.

[Higashikata]

Exactly. People have a right to suck. They pay just like everybody else. There is no reason to remove them from a duty. The last time I checked that was not one of the reasons listed for removal. This thread is a joke and the jokers in it are something else. Reminds me of A1 when a number of new people were playing for the first time during the first week and this one scholar after a wipe on the first series started to tell people that if their DPS was less than 600 they should leave and went on to tell the entire party what each members dps was. Suffice it to say that scholar was removed from the duty for harassment before starting again.

I too, pay. If people have a right to suck, then I have a right to not have these people waste my time because someone is doing sub 500 in i180 gear.

[Klamor]

Yeah, why not just allow us to script the absolute best rotations and AoE dodging, so that the game can do it? Then every job would be doing the exact same things all the time and we wouldn't be hearing all this BS whining about bad DPS.
As extra punishment, our faces could be ripped off, our bodies snapped in half, and our souls thrown in the deepest pits of hell, never ever to see daylight again. So that we'd surely not ever come back to ruin your game for you.

Bad dps don't ruin the game. They only ruin the parties they happen to join. Just like bad tanks and bad healers. However, tossing their souls into the pits of hell sounds like a surefire way to make groups more successful, if not more entertaining.

[Mclyde]

Good players don't need a parser to know if one or another isn't playing his class very well.
And not good players shouldn't use a parser since they won't be able to correctly interpret the results.

[Sapphic]

DF, personal parsers only, with options to turn them off. Full premade, add settings to display party DPS, every member must select to display parser, which shows party leader a chart of all the partys parsers.

Then PF parties can set requirements to show your parser, and for those who want to join PF partys but don't want to show their parsers, they can make their own PF.

Sorted ^^

[Amiantos]

I personally have no issue with people playing how they want, but when it comes to me being in a group where people aren't pulling their weight I'll kindly tell the group that with what we have we won't be able to clear and leave. If I'm the head I'll tell the weak link he needs to step it up or face getting removed as they're holding others back. I don't think parsers are bad, just how some people take them as pretty much the bible. I've seen some pretty rude people rip into others over minor differences but at the same time I like to know how I'm doing over all on certain parts.