Oh SE, You completely missed the main problem with endgame crafting/gathering

[chrillix]

The amount of red scripts obtained from collectables was such a minor issue.

The main problem? To turn in a Red Rowena's Crafting Token for ONE crafting material, I also need to collect TWENTY gathering items obtainable only from favors. Favors are probably the root of the problem, offering an abysmal 0-4 gathering mats on average for 15 minutes of mind numbing gathering. Multiply that by 2-4 to have enough crafting mats to actually make something.

To spend a weeks amount of favors, someone has to spend over 11 hours a week doing absolutely nothing but running from node to node gathering. Perhaps start looking at that issue rather than something that will make almost almost no difference except saving maybe a hundred thousand gil for crafting scripts and 30 minutes for gathering scripts.

[tgoodner]

I wish this wasn't true.

I'm not a gatherer by any means; really I just use gathering to get the mats that I don't want to pay for, but the favor system is absolutely horrible. Should we have to grind to get the end-game gear? Sure. But spending weekly currency on an RNG-based system? Fuck that. I don't want to spend an average of 90 minutes of gathering just so I can attempt to craft one material. I haven't even gotten anything worthwhile yet. This is only to get a Griffin Leather, or Astral Birch Lumber. So if I want to make a new mainhand tool? That's on average 6 hours of gathering. Given that RNG doesn't ruin my day. Really? I know there should be a hill to climb but SE do you really want people to spend their in game time telling people they can't help anyone because they are stuck in favors for hours on end?

Attempting to get to 60 2* crafting has now become a left-click simulator.

Congratulations SE. You've found a way to keep people logged in to do absolutely mind-numbing tasks for hours on end, in hopes that they might get something from it.

On top of that, there is no crafts that require the new AF2 gear stats to make. There is no carrot at the end of the stick. Just new pretty glamours that you have to spend hours and hours praying to be blessed by the favor system.

[Gallus]

Agree, red scrips and the favour system is absolutely terrible.
Why can't it simply be like the old forager gear, where you would do your daily ixal quests, and then exchange directly the ixal currency for sealants.

No...let's make them go through the snorefest of capping red scrips.........and then, use the red gathering scrips to change it for tokens, and then, exchange the gathering tokens for favours, and then, mindlessly gather the ooids and bs that you need (good luck), and then, exchange the ooids, bs and craft tokens for the final mats...

SE's fix to this:

"Let's increase the amount of red gathering scrips obtained in every turn in"

wth?

[Pooky]

There are a lot of good things about Heavensward. But it really is unfortunate to see how much there also is that immediately just makes me go NOPE, not having it. Alexander loot system was one. Crafting/Gathering red scrips are another.

[RiceisNice]

Attempting to get to 60 2* crafting has now become a left-click simulator.

This isn't left-click simulator. Between this and purchasing coke (which they didn't change) and buying tokens for folklore because they just felt like it was such a nice idea to make it ninety-nine tokens at 50 each instead of thirty-three tokens at 150 each (and these tokens aren't used in anything else mind you, so it's not like its for pricing reasons!) I need ot look into a replacement for a new mouse, because this is left click torture.

[chrillix]

Why can't it simply be like the old forager gear, where you would do your daily ixal quests, and then exchange directly the ixal currency for sealants.

I felt like this was almost the perfect system. It didn't take very long to do your Ixali dailies everyday, and they were accessible to almost everyone. If people didn't want to craft items to sell they could easily sell their sealants and make a decent amount of coin.

[Onikimaru]

I'm not one to complain about content but it does seem like they completely missed the obvious point people were making about why scrips are bad news. I doubt it will go away though as it is a fully fleshed out system now.

[DarthBuzzer]

Indeed, the problem has always been favors, gear, and mats. The fact that you need to do 11 hours of favors to get the chance to get mats to buy more mats to make mats to get a chance to HQ a single 2 star hadn't changed one bit.

[Zfz]

I'm not one to complain about content but it does seem like they completely missed the obvious point people were making about why scrips are bad news. I doubt it will go away though as it is a fully fleshed out system now.

If you read the rep response in the complaint threads you'll realize that the feedback was "sabotaged" by the reps. The reps said, "we'll convey the feedback that the amount of red script gained are too little to the dev" after all the pages and pages of posts outlining the actual problem.

[Sartori]

Well I'm happy with what the did. All I am going for is the gear so this favor thing, I have't messed around with at all. And doubt I will...