Oh SE, You completely missed the main problem with endgame crafting/gathering

[Welsper59]

Then I hope you enjoy having subpar equipment you cannot properly use for glamouring either, since it cannot be dyed.

Until there's actual reason to strive for BiS, there's... well... no currently relevant reason to not go after those equips if that's what you want to do. People STILL argue in favor for spending millions to pentameld the 3.0 crafting BiS, when there is literally no good reason to do it. IMO, go subpar equipment with your own needed melds. Currently, majority CP melds are the absolute most useful thing to go for. If anything, 3.0 crafting has shown us to just spend what you want and do what you want. If you don't care to be in BiS, you don't have to be to make profit. Besides, in nearly every situation of the game, BiS is nothing more than a status symbol. Keep in mind the keyword there: nearly.

[chrillix]

Until there's actual reason to strive for BiS, there's... well... no currently relevant reason to not go after those equips if that's what you want to do. People STILL argue in favor for spending millions to pentameld the 3.0 crafting BiS, when there is literally no good reason to do it. nearly.

So you're saying we should wait until that BiS gear is needed, and then complain about how to acquire it? If you don't think it ever will be needed, then why is it even in the game? In either situation there is something drastically wrong with the system.

[Ibi]

Then I hope you enjoy having subpar equipment you cannot properly use for glamouring either, since it cannot be dyed.

Wait, when did they change it so that you couldn't use gear that can't be dyed for glamor? I must have missed that change.

I randomly picked a piece of gear and went with the BSM body
The difference between the i170 HQ melded, and the i180 token piece is 22 craftsmanship and 7 control. I don't call that miniscule.

It's impossible to reach those numbers, even if you used all Grade V materia. The closest you can come is +19 Craftsmanship and +7 Control or +22 Craftsmanship and +2 Control.

If you use all Grade IV materia, you can reach +4 Craftsmanship and +3 Control. At current prices on Hyperion, the materia would cost an average of 1.5 million gil.

[chrillix]

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I hadn't considered the actual materia needed. Penta-melding t5's doesn't seem to be a realistic option (especially since we still can't convert gear for T5's!!!), but I could see using 1-2. I guess it's hard for me to sacrifice the option of being able to obtain higher stats when I don't know what the requirements will be for the next patches crafted items.

[Yumi_umi]

Imo its gonna be even worse for ppl who didnt start the crafting grind on red scrip release.
Cuz some ppl i know said they plan on crafting after they r done leveling jobs/ done alex savage.

At this rate its like rip i think devs r hellbent on making the current red scrip grind stay as they still r ignoring the main problem of
The amount of items u get per turn in ( i.e purified coke ) needs to be increased or the amount to get it needs to be lowered. Cuz the grind is insane for a lot of hardcore crafter as there very little reward for doing so atm.
So rushing to gear up now means nothing as ppl who gear up later will most likely yield same results. No more
" craft to get ahead = profit "
Its more so now
" craft to craft = no profit if already at 2* req "

[Symbiant]

The first step to fixing the problem (not the only step) is making the acquisition of scrips like beast mean tribe quest. The scrips should not cost the DoH / DoL. That way it is on par with the DoW / DoM.

If it does not cost DoW / DoM gil to obtain the tome gear it should not cost us gil.

[WingsOfAzrael]

ya i'm staying away from leveling my crafting classes to 60/gearing them up till something is done about this